Free Agency Discussion (Stage 12 Done)

[Jave]

Collela, unfortunately, is not ready to be mentioned in the same sentence as Caro. thus, he need not be compensated as much. i have a feeling you just look at all the red bars and offer contracts based on that. "rated 85 overall? fuck, give this guy his money AND the kitchen sink!". last i checked Caro has an MVP award under his belt and has taken the Seals to back-to-back playoff appearances. Collela? not so much.

and you're the biggest fucking douche right now for making me have to pimp Caro over Collela. go get genital warts.

hahah. Mabe thats because Jeff isn't scared to pay players to surround Caro with talent. The two go together. You cannot just have one or 2 great players. You have to surround those players with talent. And you cannot have 5 OK players but an average qb. That combo will go nowhere. Or you can be the New England Patriots and just put pro bowl players at every position and pay them nothing because they WANT to play for you. Wish I could fiqure that out.......

[Hell Atlantic]

Nathan Mullin will make a lot of QB's look very nice.

[tarcone]

Devon Taylor wants waaaaayyyyy less the Colella. Listening to offers.

[roadrash]

Collela, unfortunately, is not ready to be mentioned in the same sentence as Caro. thus, he need not be compensated as much. i have a feeling you just look at all the red bars and offer contracts based on that. "rated 85 overall? fuck, give this guy his money AND the kitchen sink!". last i checked Caro has an MVP award under his belt and has taken the Seals to back-to-back playoff appearances. Collela? not so much.

and you're the biggest fucking douche right now for making me have to pimp Caro over Collela. go get genital warts.

I think Sammy proved that it's not all about the ratings. . Sometimes it is the system. Caro in a bad system very well may be a bad QB. .Look at Hamilton. He doesn't put up the numbers, but he is ratd about the same.

[roadrash]

hahah. Mabe thats because Jeff isn't scared to pay players to surround Caro with talent. The two go together. You cannot just have one or 2 great players. You have to surround those players with talent. And you cannot have 5 OK players but an average qb. That combo will go nowhere. Or you can be the New England Patriots and just put pro bowl players at every position and pay them nothing because they WANT to play for you. Wish I could fiqure that out.......

With the exception of Shapiro, Sammy has a slightly better than average cast around him. And he is an Average rated QB.

[Hell Atlantic]

I think Sammy proved that it's not all about the ratings. . Sometimes it is the system. Caro in a bad system very well may be a bad QB. .Look at Hamilton. He doesn't put up the numbers, but he is ratd about the same.

i did extensive research last nite, and in doing that research i discovered that despite being nearly 20 ratings points BELOW Colella, Sammy Matthews has significantly superior career numbers. career avg for accuracy and QB rating, primarily, is not even close. with that info in mind, i was very fortunate to be able to be released from the contract. jeff may say i'm trying to spin thing, but clearly this is a case where ratings haven't really translated to on-field performance. and really, without tooting my own horn, before the Heroes Colella wasn't really anything in this league. it's only now that he's on my team has he been transformed into a solid QB who'll post low 80-ish QB rating and pass for 25 tds.

so not only should Colella not be in the same sentence as Caro, he's done nothing to be compared to Sammy - and hasn't shown he deserves to be paid more than the bargain Sammy Matthews is being paid.

[Jave]

I think Sammy proved that it's not all about the ratings. . Sometimes it is the system. Caro in a bad system very well may be a bad QB. .Look at Hamilton. He doesn't put up the numbers, but he is ratd about the same.

Hamilton hasn't produced very well the past 2 seasons because my offensive line is just terrible and with Bice going down for good people are able to double Martinez. Add to that the lack of a true TE for the past 5 seasons and it's a lack of weapons, not a lack of talent. Hamilton alone proves my point. You cannot have one without the other.

[RichardM]

Just for fun I went back to see what I got in return for trading Colella. RB-J. B. Lincoln (look at the cap friendly contract he just signed), WR-Emmitt Terry and pick 4.4 in 2009 (WR- Brandon Clifton). I traded Colella because of the amount of cap space he was currently and in the future was going to require in order to keep him. Picking up Lincoln has been a bonus (as has Terry). Would Vancouver be more productive with Colella at QB, I think not. Plus I then had cap space to keep some other players on the team, most notably CB-Dennis Perez & TE-Romeo Burgos both of whom I probably would not have been able to re-sign if I had kept Colella. All that being said, I agree with HA that is not always in the best interest of a team to sign (re-sign) high profile, highly rated players because then you can't surround them with a good supporting cast and you have no depth. I would much rather have 5 , 6 or more 60-65 rated players on my team than to have 2 80+ rated players and nobody else of note. That's just my philosophy. That's why I also traded away RB-Wesley Connell for that same season. For Connell we ended up getting picks 1.6 in 2009 and Orlando's 1st in 2010 which turned out to be pick 1.4?, I think. We traded pick 1.6 for picks 1.21, 1.29 and 3.32 in 2009). So, for that one highly rated RB we got LG-Bryce Anderson (still developing), LB-Julio Wheeler (a fixture at OLB for years to come), QB-Nolan Farmer (still developing backup QB) and LB-Ty Sowers (the jury is still out on him). All of those players are serviceable at their positions and Wheeler is more than that. Our QB (Xavier Armstrong) performed similarly to Colella last season for less money and our RB (J. B. Lincoln) out performed Connell last year for a lot less money. Just look at Orlando's record with Connell at RB, it's not that good. I think a lot of our success has to do with the supporting cast around these players which we would not have if Connell and Colella were still on our team, and we are poised for solid seasons for years to come. I hope I haven't just jinxed myself by saying that.

[JesterBlaze]

Our QB (Xavier Armstrong) performed similarly to Colella last season for less money and our RB (J. B. Lincoln) out performed Connell last year for a lot less money. Just look at Orlando's record with Connell at RB, it's not that good

I don't disagree with your reasoning but I wouldn't put too much stock in one year results as evidence. There are a lot of reasons for what happened with these teams/players.

[Jave]

Just for fun I went back to see what I got in return for trading Colella. RB-J. B. Lincoln (look at the cap friendly contract he just signed), WR-Emmitt Terry and pick 4.4 in 2009 (WR- Brandon Clifton). I traded Colella because of the amount of cap space he was currently and in the future was going to require in order to keep him. Picking up Lincoln has been a bonus (as has Terry). Would Vancouver be more productive with Colella at QB, I think not. Plus I then had cap space to keep some other players on the team, most notably CB-Dennis Perez & TE-Romeo Burgos both of whom I probably would not have been able to re-sign if I had kept Colella. All that being said, I agree with HA that is not always in the best interest of a team to sign (re-sign) high profile, highly rated players because then you can't surround them with a good supporting cast and you have no depth. I would much rather have 5 , 6 or more 60-65 rated players on my team than to have 2 80+ rated players and nobody else of note. That's just my philosophy. That's why I also traded away RB-Wesley Connell for that same season. For Connell we ended up getting picks 1.6 in 2009 and Orlando's 1st in 2010 which turned out to be pick 1.4?, I think. We traded pick 1.6 for picks 1.21, 1.29 and 3.32 in 2009). So, for that one highly rated RB we got LG-Bryce Anderson (still developing), LB-Julio Wheeler (a fixture at OLB for years to come), QB-Nolan Farmer (still developing backup QB) and LB-Ty Sowers (the jury is still out on him). All of those players are serviceable at their positions and Wheeler is more than that. Our QB (Xavier Armstrong) performed similarly to Colella last season for less money and our RB (J. B. Lincoln) out performed Connell last year for a lot less money. Just look at Orlando's record with Connell at RB, it's not that good. I think a lot of our success has to do with the supporting cast around these players which we would not have if Connell and Colella were still on our team, and we are poised for solid seasons for years to come. I hope I haven't just jinxed myself by saying that.

My fucking eyes hurt.

Paragraphs. PLEASE.

[sovstar]

My fucking eyes hurt.

Paragraphs. PLEASE.

[sovstar]

Stage 7 Done. Colella = unsigned HA's 3-year deal = DEAD

[Kobeck]

stunned he did not accept the Mules offer - lol

[Matt]

i must've missed something, i thought i had enough cap space to afford Colella

[Kobeck]

What is the high offer? At work ect.....