New Rule Proposal.

[DakotaGeorge]

George, I think it becomes personal because you're settings things up to be personal.

You've been in the league for a very short time, and already complained and asked for more changes than most of have for our entire careers here.

Change for the better is great, and sometimes us "oldies" need a little poke in the back to realize that it's not wrong to move forward and explore new avenues, but my impression of you so far is that nothing is good enough. Your team sucks, FA sucks, trading sucks, the draft prospects suck, the league isn't handling this right, the league isn't handling that right, everyone who runs a team in the league is dumb for not seeings things your way.

With all these complaints of a league that so many have had a good time in for so long, you have to take a step back and think, "Is everything really wrong here, or am I the one who's wrong?". You're basically saying that everyone who's been enjoying this league for 10 seasons is a madman. How's that not personal?

With this statement I'm not saying that what you're suggesting is wrong, in fact, some of what you say is really great, but you've complained about so many things lately that I can hardly see the forest for all the trees you're planting.

Actually I had 2 complaints that were linked to eachother. The Cap and the Outragous contracts. I never said my team sucked. I never said the draft prospects sucked. I mean how much more garbage do you have to pull out of no where and bring up that I said but didnt. In the words of Jim Callhoun. GET SOME FACTS AND COME BACK AND SEE ME.

[DakotaGeorge]

listen, just like how Cleveland drafted Lebron James doesn't mean he's there's forever, same goes here. players WANT to test free agency. they DON'T want to give up tens of millions of dollars. let's call it what it is - a bug in the game. its broken. thats ok, nothing wrong with a bug if you have procedures in place to work around it. just cuz you draft a player doesn't mean you get exclusive rights to him for his entire career. if you want to offer an insane contract, do it. there's nothing stopping you. you just can't use a known bug to circumvent the fact that the player wouldn't give up all that money. this has nothing to do with the fact that the IFL is not supposed to be the NFL. no player in any league would sign a contract like Torres' and the following year give up all that money.

you have to be able to make a choice between paying one player a LOT of money, or not signing that player and signing multiple players for the same price. or going with a younger alternative. that's football GMing 101. without that crucial decision then there's no need to play with financials on cuz it's all a waste of time. we can award FAs to team in alphabetical order then cuz that would make as much sense than the silly contracts that aren't honored in this league.

Great Post HA.

[JesterBlaze]

Why does a rule have to be about me and bettering my team? Why do you always have to act like a tool. Why can't you understand that it is for the better of the league that these rules go in to place not the better of ME and my team. From what I have seen here thus far in the posts #2 rule would pass if we put it to a vote. I am not the only one who thinks these rules need to be in place so quit makeing the rule changes about whats good for DG and start realizing DG is just trying to help the league and thats what others thought here too.

Seriously stop being a tool twords me and all my posts.

1) You never bring an issue to the attention of the league. You bring ways to improve your team to the league veiled as solutions to problems you don't even clearly state.

2) There are constantly more unsuccessful teams than successful teams. That's the nature of the game. In a long term league it's not surprising that people would vote to quickly shake up the landscape they've screwed up until now. It doesn't make it the smart thing to do. It just changes a leage that's been in place for a long time to be more like other leagues that are already out there.

3) In all seriousness you want what's best for the league? Leave. I don't say things like that lightly. You've tried to change, change, change, since you've come aboard. The league was fine before you arrived and I only hope it will still be so after you're gone. I know Dakota won't be.

Jester is probably the king of the exploits.

I dont like how LAW and TUL have their own agendas here and not whats best for the league.

Stop the slandering you simpleton noob. I've been in this league a long time and have donated time to league press and other stuff that you couldn't add up based on the lack of simple math skills you've shown me. I've written numerous guides trying to better the unsuccessful teams, sent 100's of PMs with advice, and right now am trying to "better" the league by not letting it sink at the whims of someone who's out of draft picks yet might actually have less victories than picks the next 3 seasons.

[Hell Atlantic]

some teams want to be able to use our current rules to aquire the players they want. however, they also want to be able to use our current rules to keep the players they want as long as they want. basically it comes down to certain teams don't want to be told how to run their teams, which is code for "don't tread on me - i want to offer legal contracts, no matter how silly they are, and then once the guy is on my team i'll negotiate it down to a more reasonable level. but don't you tell me how to run my team!".

all that means is people want to hear the song, but no one wants to pay the piper. it doesn't have anything to do with this being an exploit or sneaky work around. this is manipulating a faulty code in the game to aquire a player only to change the terms of the deal once he's in your grasp. this is called bait and switch, and you wouldn't like being suckered into going to a car lot for a to good to be true deal only to find out the deal is off "but we got something else you might like". it doesn't matter that we all can do it.

[DakotaGeorge]

1) You never bring an issue to the attention of the league. You bring ways to improve your team to the league veiled as solutions to problems you don't even clearly state.

2) There are constantly more unsuccessful teams than successful teams. That's the nature of the game. In a long term league it's not surprising that people would vote to quickly shake up the landscape they've screwed up until now. It doesn't make it the smart thing to do. It just changes a leage that's been in place for a long time to be more like other leagues that are already out there.

3) In all seriousness you want what's best for the league? Leave. I don't say things like that lightly. You've tried to change, change, change, since you've come aboard. The league was fine before you arrived and I only hope it will still be so after you're gone. I know Dakota won't be.



Stop the slandering you simpleton noob. I've been in this league a long time and have donated time to league press and other stuff that you couldn't add up based on the lack of simple math skills you've shown me. I've written numerous guides trying to better the unsuccessful teams, sent 100's of PMs with advice, and right now am trying to "better" the league by not letting it sink at the whims of someone who's out of draft picks yet might actually have less victories than picks the next 3 seasons.

LOL

[JesterBlaze]

Are my posts about bonus money not showing up?

Make a rule where FA offers have to be 60% bonus MINIMUM and this problem goes away if that's the true issue.

[Coder]

Actually I had 2 complaints that were linked to eachother. The Cap and the Outragous contracts. I never said my team sucked. I never said the draft prospects sucked. I mean how much more garbage do you have to pull out of no where and bring up that I said but didnt. In the words of Jim Callhoun. GET SOME FACTS AND COME BACK AND SEE ME.

FA Sucks: The cap issue/bonuses (Main complaint)
Trading sucks: You couldn't trade a pick because of a league rule and got all upset and started a thread about how sucky that rule was. (not to mention that public argument with HA - keep it to PMs guys)
The prospects suck: In the draft chat you kept saying that only sucky players are left in the draft, and how this draft sucked and that only the top prospects were any good. This was in round 2.

The bottom line is that I've seen you complain more than I've seen you write any sort of press-release, or congratulatory posts, or just general chit chat. You've basically put a label on yourself.

[Kobeck]

12 10+Win teams in IFL in 2013, 11 made the playoffs. 6 in each conference

9 10+Loss teams in IFL in 2013. 5 AFC and 4 NFC

11 9-W/L teams in IFL in 2013, 1 made playoffs - Congrats Stallions. 5 AFC and 6 NFC

current CAP space of teams with ...
10+Wins 150.6m or 12.6m avg
10+Loss 229.2m or 25.5m avg
9-W/L 376.1m or 34.2m avg

Interesting. On the surface it appears the better teams are within 10% of the CAP, still got rookies too sign ect... Also for some reason the worse teams are more CAP pressed than the nominal teams - interesting. would not have guessed that.

Here's some data: CAP space remaining per 2013 Win
10+Wins 1.17m avg
10+Loss 5.73m avg
9-W/L 4.32m avg

now that makes more sense to Underdog. With this current data Underdog offers some thoughts...

Looks like the better teams more fully exploit the IFL CAP
the lesser teams are not managing the CAP with the same effencies as the other teams

Relating to proposal A - expanding Bouns/Base rule to all contracts. Seems unnecessary to Underdog.

Relating to proposal B - limiting renegotiations to last year of contract. WOULD result in more UFAs, but Underdog thinks this is more likley to help the lesser clubs and thinks overall would be a solid idea.



NOTES on the data:
5 of 12 10+Win teams are under 10m in CAP, 3 are under 5m CAP
2 of 12 10+Win teams have more than 20M in CAP, but the most of those still has 3.23m per 2013 win, which is still less than the avg 9-W/L team

0 10+Loss teams are under 10m in CAP
6 of the 9 have more than 20m in CAP. 2 of these teams average 3.1m CAP per 2013 win which is less than the 20m CAP 10+Win teams average - ouch!
2 of these teams have more than 10m CAP per 2013 win

0 9-W/L teams are under 10m CAP
2 of the 11 9-W/L teams are under 20m CAP - 1.76m per 2013 win
7 of the 11 9-W/L teams have more than 30m CAP. These teams have 5.55m CAP per 2013 win, fairly close to the 10+Loss teams.
The most CAP per 2013 win of this group is 8.71m


Further notes:
There were a few outliner teams. Cleveland and Louisiana accounted for over 40% of the 10+Win current CAP available. Without Cleveland and Louisiana the 10+Win teams averaged 8.87m current CAP and 0.81m per 2013 win.
Oakland has 10.65m CAP per 2013 win.
Vancouver, Newark, California and Norfolk only accounted for only 20% of 9-W/L current CAP. Vancouver, Newark, California and Norfolk average 2.32m CAP per 2013 win

I bet this all makes some sense to somebody - lol

[CyYoung]

I would also like to point out and then I am pretty much done. We are not up against the cap. This resigning really does not help us cap wise. If you guys look at our cap next year and this year you can see we can easily absorb his contract. I think if I was up against the cap and having 12 win seasons and we did this to sign more players it may be a different story. But, whatever you guys want to do I am good with it. Hell he could get injured tomorrow and I could cut him and eat 40 million in cap. Which I could still absorb without a problem.

Don't take that personally Pirates.

I agree with you, you had the rights to sign Torres and resigning him the year after so there's no big deal. You did nothing wrong, but it would be nice to have a rule against it.

Also, we can't call it overpaying for a player when half the league is bidding on this player an several offers are close of the one that signs the player.

[CyYoung]

Here is another outragous example from the other thread that I posted. Offering for said player just to outbid people.


10 mil bonus
1st year 1.5 mil
2nd year 10 mil
3rd year 20 mil
4th year 30 mil
5th year 40 mil

5 years 111.5 mil.

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Extending the bonus rule will bring more of this kind of contract

[DakotaGeorge]

FA Sucks: The cap issue/bonuses (Main complaint)
Trading sucks: You couldn't trade a pick because of a league rule and got all upset and started a thread about how sucky that rule was. (not to mention that public argument with HA - keep it to PMs guys)
The prospects suck: In the draft chat you kept saying that only sucky players are left in the draft, and how this draft sucked and that only the top prospects were any good. This was in round 2.

The bottom line is that I've seen you complain more than I've seen you write any sort of press-release, or congratulatory posts, or just general chit chat. You've basically put a label on yourself.

This rule will pass and you and Jester can do one of these jobs


btw I never complained about the draft class once sorry to again correct you. As Jim Calhoun said GET SOME FACTS THEN COME SEE ME.

[DakotaGeorge]

Extending the bonus rule will bring more of this kind of contract

Rule B mr Young would offset your idea of how Rule A would work. who is going to pay a guy 32 million yr 4? because you would have to honor all his years contracts.

[tarcone]

Are my posts about bonus money not showing up?

Make a rule where FA offers have to be 60% bonus MINIMUM and this problem goes away if that's the true issue.

I would be in favor of this. Easy to do and eliminates the problem.

[Hell Atlantic]

I bet this all makes some sense to somebody - lol

HAHAHAHA it certainly didn't make any sense to me. LOL:scratchhead:

[Coder]

This rule will pass and you and Jester can do one of these jobs


btw I never complained about the draft class once sorry to again correct you. As Jim Calhoun said GET SOME FACTS THEN COME SEE ME.

Who's Jim Calhoun and why's he putting words in your mouth?