New Rule Proposal.

[TimG]

I will however give a "yes" vote to rejecting any more rule proposials by DakotaGeorge. STFU and enjoy the league for what it is. I'm sick of hearing you every 3 days bitch and moan that this sucks, and that sucks and we should change things around here. It's not perfect, but last I checked every owner in this league enjoys being here and enjoys the game. If your still here in a year, which I doubt you will be since you have no more draft picks, then we can revisit your brilliant ideas.

+1

[Jave]

I honestly don't see how any rule put in place would prevent the 'lebron james' theory, aside from randomly picking a few players from each team and telling the owners they can't re-sign them because the player wants to test free agency.

I do agree it's completely unrealistic for the Torres thing, but should we put in a rule because of that? Randy Moss went to the Pats and has re-worked his contract in the middle of it. Brady has also done the same. Plenty of players in the league re-work their contracts. So while the Torres thing is unrealistic (it would be like Haynsworth taking a massive pay cut next season), we can't just alter league rules because of it.

If you want a fix, complain over and over to Jim and maybe he'll put in a patch to make players more stubborn, less likely to take pay cuts, and more likely to want to test the FA market.

As far as the other thing (extending the bonus rule), i'm against it. In fact, i'm against anything that forces teams to spend bonus money. If a person wants to offer a player 200% bonus per year for a player, that just puts them deeper into cap trouble if the guy shits the bed. It seems the bonus rule is working against the general theme of what people want, which is tighter caps on teams.

Exactly, good point. Let me point out a great NFL example. Last year the Raiders signed rookie QB Jamarcus Russell to a stupid contract:

JaMarcus Russell Signs Richest Rookie Contract Ever, Set to Join Oakland Raiders


Russell will be guaranteed a record $29 million in his six-year $61 million deal, according to two people familiar with the talks who spoke on condition of anonymity because the terms were not released. He would get an additional $3 million if he reaches minimal playing time incentives.
Russell would earn the $3 million bonus in 2010 if he takes 35 percent of the team's snaps this year, 45 percent in 2008 or 50 percent in 2009. If Russell hit all the incentives in the deal, it would be worth $68 million.

This season Al Davis asked him to resign his contract to free up cap room to sign other players to help the team. What did he do?

Russell expected to restructure, open up options for Raiders By Brad Wilbricht | Tuesday, March 10, 2009 | ( 11 )

The Oakland Raiders have been hard at work, releasing underperforming players and restructuring overvalued contracts awarded in the past. Quarterback JaMarcus Russell is expected to be the next to rework his original contract. The move would give the Raiders even more flexibility and adjust Russell’s contract to reflect his true value to the organization.

Oakland has made plenty of headlines -- mostly positive ones -- this offseason. Russell, the first overall selection of the 2007 draft, originally signed a six-year, $61 million contract. While he’s guaranteed roughly $32 million, his restructured deal will attempt to put him in line with other signal-callers around the NFL.

Russell joins a growing list of players who have agreed to restructure their contracts in Oakland. Wideout Javon Walker, running back Justin Fargas and offensive lineman Robert Gallery have all reworked their deals.

How bout this?

Javon Walker restructures contract, saves Raiders $22 million

Or this?

Robert Gallery and Justin Fargas restructure contract.

Ohh wait, I forgot, we are offering crazy contracts to players right? How bout this?

Breaking News : Nnamdi Asomugha signs 3-year Deal!
By Victor Cotto, S&B Report Staff Columnist
A day after agreeing to a four year deal with Pro Bowl punter Shane Lechler, the Oakland Raiders rewarded their other stand out player with the richest contract ever paid to a defensive back in league history. Many reports indicate that Nnamdi Asomugha has inked a three-year deal worth $45.3 million with $28.5 million in guarantees.

Is what we do here in the IFL really that different DG or do you just like to hear yourself bitch and moan?

[JesterBlaze]

Haynesworth is due $29M at one single point in his contract. I think it's year 4. His contract will most definitely be restructured. He's got like $41M in guaranteed money for the contract. HE would restructure next season. THE REDSKINS wouldn't because they'd have to throw in more bonus money to make it worth his while. All NFL players and agents know that the guaranteed money is king.

[Hell Atlantic]

the problem with George is he keeps posting and posting. instead of making his point in like 3 or 4 posts, he'll just keep responding to people until they get frustrated. crocodiles do this actually. the common misconception about crocs is they eat you with their massive jaws. actually they suffocate you. rather than one massive bite that kills you they'll bite you on your neck, drag you down underwater and wait till you stop moving. that's George's posting style.

you won't have to worry about people leaving cuz of George, cuz after a while people will just get tired of losing teams taking too long to turn around cuz you can't build through FA and teams that aquire good players don't ever have to cut them or cut their 2nd tier players to keep their studs. and because this is a once a week league turning a team around takes literally 1 year real time. who really can invest that much time? that's asking a lot. quite frankly its nice to have a casual league, but casual isn't a good recipe for bad teams. bad teams wanna rebuld and go through a development stage and move on to prosperity. no one wants to be in a text sim league for 5 real years waiting for the ebb and flow to turn their way. i was prepare to leave the league. as it stands i'm giving the league maybe another 5 seasons cuz i finally have a stud franchise QB to follow. i'll never win a ring but as long as i have players that interest me it makes it worthwhile. but after Schwartz? if there aren't sweeping changes then i'll move on and let the old guard play with their old toys. no big whoop. i'll always be a part of the league but i won't always have the same desire to run a team in this league. not the end of the world.

[CyYoung]

Exactly, good point. Let me point out a great NFL example. Last year the Raiders signed rookie QB Jamarcus Russell to a stupid contract:


This season Al Davis asked him to resign his contract to free up cap room to sign other players to help the team. What did he do?



How bout this?


Or this?


Ohh wait, I forgot, we are offering crazy contracts to players right? How bout this?


Is what we do here in the IFL really that different DG or do you just like to hear yourself bitch and moan?

Like I said earlier Jave, a lot of players in the NFL restructured their deal, but no player in their prime takes a 50% pay cut

There's a big difference between restructuring a contract and taking a pay cut. The player in his prime will restructure if he doesn't lose a penny

[DakotaGeorge]

the problem with George is he keeps posting and posting. instead of making his point in like 3 or 4 posts, he'll just keep responding to people until they get frustrated. crocodiles do this actually. the common misconception about crocs is they eat you with their massive jaws. actually they suffocate you. rather than one massive bite that kills you they'll bite you on your neck, drag you down underwater and wait till you stop moving. that's George's posting style.

you won't have to worry about people leaving cuz of George, cuz after a while people will just get tired of losing teams taking too long to turn around cuz you can't build through FA and teams that aquire good players don't ever have to cut them or cut their 2nd tier players to keep their studs. and because this is a once a week league turning a team around takes literally 1 year real time. who really can invest that much time? that's asking a lot. quite frankly its nice to have a casual league, but casual isn't a good recipe for bad teams. bad teams wanna rebuld and go through a development stage and move on to prosperity. no one wants to be in a text sim league for 5 real years waiting for the ebb and flow to turn their way. i was prepare to leave the league. as it stands i'm giving the league maybe another 5 seasons cuz i finally have a stud franchise QB to follow. i'll never win a ring but as long as i have players that interest me it makes it worthwhile. but after Schwartz? if there aren't sweeping changes then i'll move on and let the old guard play with their old toys. no big whoop. i'll always be a part of the league but i won't always have the same desire to run a team in this league. not the end of the world.

HA it will all get lost that I actually have a good point and alot of owners agree with me and other leagues have put this rule in place agree with me aswell it will all be lost these facts because people have disposistions already to dislike me because I actually question flaws in the league and try to fix them so everyone can have a better expirence. I hate how some people here I wont even name names but they make it like everything I bring up is specificly to help my team. What a joke.

[CyYoung]

you won't have to worry about people leaving cuz of George, cuz after a while people will just get tired of losing teams taking too long to turn around cuz you can't build through FA and teams that aquire good players don't ever have to cut them or cut their 2nd tier players to keep their studs. and because this is a once a week league turning a team around takes literally 1 year real time. who really can invest that much time? that's asking a lot. quite frankly its nice to have a casual league, but casual isn't a good recipe for bad teams. bad teams wanna rebuld and go through a development stage and move on to prosperity. no one wants to be in a text sim league for 5 real years waiting for the ebb and flow to turn their way. i was prepare to leave the league. as it stands i'm giving the league maybe another 5 seasons cuz i finally have a stud franchise QB to follow. i'll never win a ring but as long as i have players that interest me it makes it worthwhile. but after Schwartz? if there aren't sweeping changes then i'll move on and let the old guard play with their old toys. no big whoop. i'll always be a part of the league but i won't always have the same desire to run a team in this league. not the end of the world.

Very good post HA and I agree with a lot of things you said there. I,m not against puting a renegotiation rule like I said earlier, but from personal experience, I really don't think it's gonna change anything.

I think most of us here agree that there's a problem but we don't agree on the solutions. I'm all for finding a solution for this problem but I know a reneg rule is not a good one. It will have an effect on cap strapped teams for the 1st year because GMs didn't plan for this, but they will adjust and it will not change in the long run. Not on the free agent class, a tiny little bit on the salary cap.

I posted it in the other thread, but I will do it again in this one. Here's the cap situation of the NAFL before free agency. We're 4 or 5 years with a reneg rule.

[JesterBlaze]

HA it will all get lost that I actually have a good point and alot of owners agree with me and other leagues have put this rule in place agree with me as well it will all be lost these facts because people have dispositions already to dislike me because I actually question flaws in the league and try to fix them so everyone can have a better expirence.

There's nothing right or wrong with the last year renegotiation rule. It's just something we haven't done here and I hope we continue to not do.

You don't question flaws in the league. You try to change league preferences to suit you and attack those... well those who type anything it sometimes seems.

Whether it's been direct or indirectly due to you why don't you put up a poll on how everyone's experience has been since you've been assisting us in our apparently floundering league?

[CyYoung]

HA it will all get lost that I actually have a good point and alot of owners agree with me and other leagues have put this rule in place agree with me aswell it will all be lost these facts because people have disposistions already to dislike me because I actually question flaws in the league and try to fix them so everyone can have a better expirence. I hate how some people here I wont even name names but they make it like everything I bring up is specificly to help my team. What a joke.

Come on!!! You can't see at all that you're acting like a jerk since you're here?

Personally, I hate you. I can't stand you but I'm listening to your opinion anyway and I'm telling you mine. You're having good intentions but you're bringing your ideas like a bull in a china shop. People are not rejecting your idea because you're a jerk, they're rejecting it because you insult them when they say their opinion. What would you do if somebody hit you in the face and then ask you to help him crossing the street?

As for the league with such a rule in place, I'm one of them and I keep telling you that it's not working. I've showed you our cap situation and free agent class but you're just ignoring it.

I agree that there's a problem but I don't think that's the right solution

[tarcone]

So what does this rule accomplish? That NAFL snapshot looks real familiar.

[tarcone]

HA it will all get lost that I actually have a good point and alot of owners agree with me and other leagues have put this rule in place agree with me aswell it will all be lost these facts because people have disposistions already to dislike me because I actually question flaws in the league and try to fix them so everyone can have a better expirence. I hate how some people here I wont even name names but they make it like everything I bring up is specificly to help my team. What a joke.

My experience in this league has been outstanding. Ive played within the rules and succeeded.
Lately, my experience has been diminished. Its unfortunate that you refuse to look at facts and try and run over some of the best GMs in FOF, for a rule that has been shown to have no effect, except to handcuff a GMs ability to run his team as he sees best.
This is by far my favorite league. I hope it stays that way.

[iceman99]

Was going to stay out of this to be honest...

But there are good points and bad points made in this thread (IMO only).

I do like the idea of the final year renegotiation. Its really the only way to police renegotiations like the Torres one. Granted I do not see an issue with that deal, as ORL mentioned they did not break a rule..

But the issue I have with renegotiations limited to the final year is what Jave points out. Yes I know this is the NFL, but should someone get injured or not play up to their contract (IE LT in SD) then we should have the right to renegotiate PERIOD. Yes I agree to take on a player, and yes I agree to a deal... But if we say no renegotiation then that should also mean that you cant cut them either. Because either way your doing the same thing. Yes cutting allows the player back on the market, but all your really doing is working around the rule.

Yes I know this is related to STUDS/STARS/TOP TALENT but that should also belong on even these average level players getting big deals in FA. So IMO if we change one you have to change the other.

Yes its a flaw in the game. The game does not handle the escalation of years well when it comes to Salaries... But as it has been mentioned 1000 times. We all play by the same rules.

And as for the bonus issue - Plan A I think it was - The only reason that rule is in effect is because owners would offer 8 mil bonus and 1 mil salary to rent the player. If they did good they could tag them, and if they did not they were not tied to them.

[Suicane]

George, what other league are you in?

[iceman99]

And in response to DG... Yeah dude you make great points. But if I remember right you stated in the 3 team trade offer you were a part of that you wanted to be able to run your team the way you wanted and yet we were limiting your ability to do that because of a rule, yet your here making requests to add a rule that will limit a teams ability to run their team as they see fit...

A little bit of a double standard sir...

David

[Pirates]

I would like to point out that Torres took a salary cut not a bonus cut. He still is getting over 40 million guaranteed. I could be wrong, but just like the NFL we can restructure contracts but the bonus never reduces. Basically they just take a lower salary and the bonus goes up. It looks like Torres took a huge pay cut but he actually got more guaranteed money.