New Rule Proposal.

[DakotaGeorge]

We Need 2 new rule proposals

A. Extend the Bonus rule to all years not just 2 year or less.

B. No Renegging contracts until the final year of the contract. (why? People like Orlando offering 80 mil dollar contracts over 5 years to players to screw everyone else then Renegging it down 40 mil the next year 40 mil deal over 5 years. Quit letting GMs exploit our game please.)


The second rule would also help our very depleted FA market.


P.S.

Simple GMs should have to honor the contracts they offer to outbid other people. Why should we allow GMs to offer outragous contracts they will never have to honor?

[BOSS]

First of all i love this league. Since i have been here the people are cool and the competition is fierce. There are some damn good GM's here. You get a ring in this league and you should be proud.

Slowly, i see the league going downhill and becoming a joke with some of the things going on as far as signing players.

I 100% support these proposed rule changes for a variety of reasons.

The Orlando contract he gave Torres blew me away. He outbids everyone in F/A last year and gives him a gigantic contract. Then this year he re-signs him to a contract worth half the value he got last year?? Sorry, its bullshit. The game is flawed and it sucks you need outside rules to keep things legit but that is the only way to correct stuff like this here.

If you have to wait to the final year of their contracts to re-negotiate it could also improve the free agency class as well. When you have like 5 or 6 guys in the final year you better hope you managed your cap well to re-sign them players. If you didn't then the free agency class will be improved.

What changed my mind about the 1-2 year UFA bonus rule was the contract handed out this year to some average players getting mad money. It should be extended to all years of the contract with UFA's.

Torres contract should be voided. I would like to see his old contract if its possible.

[Kobeck]

A - didn't we go over this just a short while ago, although I like the verbage of A, B could use less vinegar - lol

anyways.

Bonus Rule - some thoughts. A bonus does not go away on a renegotiation so that is real $$$. Bonus rule is on a 1 or 2 year contract Bonus$ cannot exceed Base$. I bet if this rule was extended signing some guys to long term deals would be impossible. regardless I believe the purpose of the rule is to decrease the Rent-A-Player situation and extending the years covered does not help that IMO.

No Renegotiation till Contract Year reads 1 or a FA situation - I like this one as being simple and easy too understand. It WILL cut down on crazy contracts cause only way out of it is to cut guy bringing CAP $$$ forward.

My thoughts are neyt on A because of enforcement issues and Yes on B because of simplicity of enforcement and bang for buck. Just think B would get IFL a little more realism, whatever that means in text based NFL like games.

[kingfc22]

I think with B, which is in another league I'm in, we wouldn't have to ammend the current rule which applies to 1 and 2 year deals.

[r00k]

Does anybody have or remember the wording of the rule that we voted down right before Jeff left? Perhaps someone could link us to the thread that discussed it. It would be interesting to revisit that discussion and see what was said at the time.

[CyYoung]

I don't mind adding a renegociation rule to prevent teams to reneg a stupid contract they gave the year before. I agree that it's not good for the league.

But there's one thing, people will make stupid offers anyway. We have this rule in the NAFL for a couple of years and we still see crazy offers. At least they have to pay the full amount for all the contract.

As for the other rule, I'm not sure it's gonna help. Yes people can give crazy bonus to players to sign them, but if you can't renegociate their contract, a team can be in big trouble if the guy get injured. I think it can be even harder for a team that overpay for players if a lot of money is given in bonus. It makes it harder to get out of cap trouble.

I agree to make a rule for the renegociation, but if you think we will have big FA class with superstars all over the place, you're dreaming. If anything, there will be more player on the trade block in the last year of their contract, but GMs will not simply let them go. It's impossible.

In real life a player may want to test free agency and not accept any contract offer by his team. In Front office, the player will sign if you give him the money. This is why there will NEVER be a huge free agent class. Every superstars I saw in free agency in all the years I played multi player leagues is when a GM don't look at his team and leave the league at the end of a season.

We can make a rule to make it a little better, but don't expect miracles out of this because they will not come.

[BOSS]

Nobody said anything about a stud free agent class. It would possibly be better then what is offered now though.

As far as players in their last year on the trade block goes, that is a good thing in my opinion. If you don't have the cap you can unload them to somebody who does and at least you get something in return instead of letting them hit free agency.

The cap is supposed to be an integral part of this game and quite frankly it is nothing but a afterthought. The object of this game is building the best team you can with certain amount of dollars. When money is no object it takes a big aspect of fun out of the game. Every team in this league just about has a open checkbook like the NY Yankees.

[JesterBlaze]

We Need 2 new rule proposals

A. Extend the Bonus rule to all years not just 2 year or less.

B. No Renegging contracts until the final year of the contract. (why? People like Orlando offering 80 mil dollar contracts over 5 years to players to screw everyone else then Renegging it down 40 mil the next year 40 mil deal over 5 years. Quit letting GMs exploit our game please.)


The second rule would also help our very depleted FA market.


P.S.

Simple GMs should have to honor the contracts they offer to outbid other people. Why should we allow GMs to offer outragous contracts they will never have to honor?

Proposed Rule A directly contradicts your "PS" wishes. Take off the bonus handcuffs and teams will have to honor their FAs. I used to offer up to 80% bonus (maybe more) because I picked and chose carefully, knew the system I was running not only that season but 3-4 down the road, and was willing to eat the bonus on injury.


And Proposed Rule B does nothing to give you the free good players you want after trading the majority of your picks for studs. It just takes the role players from the solid teams causing them to redraft role players and have diminished IFL lore.


One thing will balance the league in all aspects and one thing only: equal competition in all phases of the game.

[JesterBlaze]

I've constantly had to NOT offer contracts to FA's due to being at the cap - for 11 seasons now!

Someone please go down my roster and tell me who I'm overpaying! The cap does stop FULL teams from picking up new players. You CAN get a dozen 80 OVR's if you want that to be your only squad. That's not football, or at least any version that will compete with a full team. The teams with a large amount of cap money are usualy, if not always, incomplete and that money represents holes in their roster.

[DakotaGeorge]

Proposed Rule A directly contradicts your "PS" wishes. Take off the bonus handcuffs and teams will have to honor their FAs. I used to offer up to 80% bonus (maybe more) because I picked and chose carefully, knew the system I was running not only that season but 3-4 down the road, and was willing to eat the bonus on injury.


And Proposed Rule B does nothing to give you the free good players you want after trading the majority of your picks for studs. It just takes the role players from the solid teams causing them to redraft role players and have diminished IFL lore.


One thing will balance the league in all aspects and one thing only: equal competition in all phases of the game.

Why does a rule have to be about me and bettering my team? Why do you always have to act like a tool. Why can't you understand that it is for the better of the league that these rules go in to place not the better of ME and my team. From what I have seen here thusfar in the posts #2 rule would pass if we put it to a vote. I am not the only one who thinks these rules need to be in place so quit makeing the rule changes about whats good for DG and start realizing DG is just trying to help the league and thats what others thought here too.

Seriously stop being a tool twords me and all my posts.

[DakotaGeorge]

I don't mind adding a renegociation rule to prevent teams to reneg a stupid contract they gave the year before. I agree that it's not good for the league.

But there's one thing, people will make stupid offers anyway. We have this rule in the NAFL for a couple of years and we still see crazy offers. At least they have to pay the full amount for all the contract.

As for the other rule, I'm not sure it's gonna help. Yes people can give crazy bonus to players to sign them, but if you can't renegociate their contract, a team can be in big trouble if the guy get injured. I think it can be even harder for a team that overpay for players if a lot of money is given in bonus. It makes it harder to get out of cap trouble.

I agree to make a rule for the renegociation, but if you think we will have big FA class with superstars all over the place, you're dreaming. If anything, there will be more player on the trade block in the last year of their contract, but GMs will not simply let them go. It's impossible.

In real life a player may want to test free agency and not accept any contract offer by his team. In Front office, the player will sign if you give him the money. This is why there will NEVER be a huge free agent class. Every superstars I saw in free agency in all the years I played multi player leagues is when a GM don't look at his team and leave the league at the end of a season.

We can make a rule to make it a little better, but don't expect miracles out of this because they will not come.

Older version of the game ran a more realistic financial system. Can not for the life of me find out why this game wouldn't since it is made from the same engine.

[tarcone]

Im up against the cap and I dont feel like I have overpaid anyone on my team, either. I, like Jester, know what I want to do and go and get those players that help my team.
I cant really see how rule B has any positive affect on the game. If you look at my roster, I have 4 guys that will renegotiate with me and want over 10 million a season. Im not going anywhere near resigning those guys yet.
As for FA and signing guys to crazy contracts then renegotiating them. We all can do it. As has been said, everyone has cap space. So get ballsy and make the signing. As Jester said, Bonus money doesnt vanish when you renegotiate a guy.
This league is not about signing free agents. It is about drafting a team, developing a team, adding some pieces that will help your squad from FA (not tip the balance), and winning. If thats not your type of league, then you joined the wrong league.
Personally, I have had a blast drafting and developing my team the last 5 seasons. I am reaping the benefits now. And one way I will be able to keep the core guys I drafted is to be able to renegotiate with them at any time during their contract.

[Pirates]

Hey guys I have no problem going back to the original contract if it is possible. I can afford it. In two other leagues I am in we have the no reneg until the last year of the contract and I am all for that. I only resigned him because I could. What cracks me up is that fact that people think I am an idiot for trying to improve my team by signing him to a huge contract that does not hurt my cap in the least. Then when I resign him to a lesser deal it is totally unfair and people are quite upset. This goes back to the argument of overpaying for lesser players just because you have the cap space. Same principle only Torres is rated at an 88. Make a rule and I will follow it, but as Kobeck said let's take some of the vinegar out of it.

Oh and if we revert his contract then we obviously need to revert everybody elses who resigned anybody else to a lesser deal part way through their contract.

[Kobeck]

Tarcone and Jester make excellent points. From my experience and just intuation it seems obvious the better teams will have less CAP. Kinda the purpose of the CAP

Couple of other simple things COULD be done.

Could limit last year Successful Renegotiations to the number of regular season games team won. I have no idea on impact but should result in more UFAs hitting market if that is a major gripe. Would have to be self policed though.

Could limit signings to no more than 10% above current Designation limits. Would end the market only based contracts, well at least contain them. Again enforcement is the problem.

[Pirates]

I would also like to point out and then I am pretty much done. We are not up against the cap. This resigning really does not help us cap wise. If you guys look at our cap next year and this year you can see we can easily absorb his contract. I think if I was up against the cap and having 12 win seasons and we did this to sign more players it may be a different story. But, whatever you guys want to do I am good with it. Hell he could get injured tomorrow and I could cut him and eat 40 million in cap. Which I could still absorb without a problem.