New Rule Proposal.

[DakotaGeorge]

Okay for those whom are impared here. There is nothing here to suggest that we are implementing rules for the cap.

The point was about the outragous contracts offered to outbid other people that are NOT honored because the next year they reneg the contract down to normal. What sane player gives up 40 mil? It is blatent exploiting of the game. Torres is a prime example. He offered the guy 80 million in the off season just to outbid everyone else then gets to weasle his way out of it and only pay 40 mil? Joke? No one said you were stupid for bidding that much for him orlando. We said it was exploiting the game and complete bullshit that you can reneg that contract down 40 mil afterwards. That is why rule B needs to be put in place.

[DakotaGeorge]

Here is another outragous example from the other thread that I posted. Offering for said player just to outbid people.


10 mil bonus
1st year 1.5 mil
2nd year 10 mil
3rd year 20 mil
4th year 30 mil
5th year 40 mil

5 years 111.5 mil.

You know I could offer that deal to any player in the FA market and only be responsible for 11.5 mil of that contract? So if he doesnt reneg the deal like I want him to the following year I can just Cut him and only have to pay 11.5 mil of that 111.5 mil and hey I got to outbid EVERYONE for cheap. Hey there is always the possibility of A reneging him down to a much much smaller contract or B cutting him and resigning him.


Point being if you offer 80 mil or the example 111.5 mil over 5 years you should have to honor that contract. You should not be able to reneg the next season and not have to pay the original contract you bid that much and wanted to pay him that much because of the market because other teams were interested and that was the buying price. Instate rule B for fairness in the league. Now we are offering Geoffry Dollars from Toys R Us to outbid other GMs? Contracts that will never be honored? Bullshit you bid 80 mil for him you pay 80 mil. Not saying we go back and fix previous deals but all deals from now to the future be effected by a new rule in place. rule B. Alot of other leagues are running the same rule and why? BECAUSE IT MAKES SENSE.

[Pirates]

Okay for those whom are impared here. There is nothing here to suggest that we are implementing rules for the cap.

The point was about the outragous contracts offered to outbid other people that are NOT honored because the next year they reneg the contract down to normal. What sane player gives up 40 mil? It is blatent exploiting of the game. Torres is a prime example. He offered the guy 80 million in the off season just to outbid everyone else then gets to weasle his way out of it and only pay 40 mil? Joke? No one said you were stupid for bidding that much for him orlando. We said it was exploiting the game and complete bullshit that you can reneg that contract down 40 mil afterwards. That is why rule B needs to be put in place.

Wow, nice to meet you. Hey if you guys want to revert his contract and we can then I am all for it. Doesnt effect me either way. I throw myself on the mercy of the league. If there is such a thing.

I sure hope I can find some more exploits so I can continue my domination. Jester can I steal a couple from you?

[DakotaGeorge]

Wow, nice to meet you. Hey if you guys want to revert his contract and we can then I am all for it. Doesnt effect me either way. I throw myself on the mercy of the league. If there is such a thing.

I sure hope I can find some more exploits so I can continue my domination. Jester can I steal a couple from you?

Jester is probably the king of the exploits.

I dont like how LAW and TUL have their own agendas here and not whats best for the league.

[BOSS]

Was over at IHOF and they have a rule in place about not negotiating a player under contract until his final year. This is like the mother league of FOF. Hell, the maker of the game is in that league.

4. Players currently under contract may only be offered a renegotiated contract in the last year of their existing contract. This rule will not apply to a player who is a Hold Out.

[Hell Atlantic]

i would vote for Plan B.

[DakotaGeorge]

Hell froze over we have HA's vote lets put it to a vote and put the rule in effect.

[tarcone]

EVERY other league? Really? Im in several leagues, and that rule isnt in place. So I gues not EVERY other league has this rule.
Different leagues are run differently. Im tired of the people looking at the elitist leagues and saying "They do it, so it must be right."
I stated earlier that this is a draft and develop league. Not a sign FAs league.
You guys are all in an uproar because a player renegotiated for half his contract. Did he get more bonus money to resign? Is the bonus money from the previous contract still being spent? Did you guys have a chance to sign him?
Im not in favor of the rule, because I dont want to be told how to run my team. But if thats what we want then so be it. I will adapt again.

I have a rule proposal, also.

New GMs cannot trade more then one pick per season in the 1st 2 seasons of their ownership. They cannot trade future 1st round picks until year 3 of their tenure.

This guarantees that the league will not have an owner come in and burn down their teams future, then leave the team and leave the league in a bad situation. GM-less teams are bad for any league. And GM-less teams with no future picks are hard to fill.

[DakotaGeorge]

EVERY other league? Really? Im in several leagues, and that rule isnt in place. So I gues not EVERY other league has this rule.
Different leagues are run differently. Im tired of the people looking at the elitist leagues and saying "They do it, so it must be right."
I stated earlier that this is a draft and develop league. Not a sign FAs league.
You guys are all in an uproar because a player renegotiated for half his contract. Did he get more bonus money to resign? Is the bonus money from the previous contract still being spent? Did you guys have a chance to sign him?
Im not in favor of the rule, because I dont want to be told how to run my team. But if thats what we want then so be it. I will adapt again.

I have a rule proposal, also.

New GMs cannot trade more then one pick per season in the 1st 2 seasons of their ownership. They cannot trade future 1st round picks until year 3 of their tenure.

This guarantees that the league will not have an owner come in and burn down their teams future, then leave the team and leave the league in a bad situation. GM-less teams are bad for any league. And GM-less teams with no future picks are hard to fill.

Why do you have to make this personal?

Are you upset cause a rule that will help the league and improve it has a good chance at passing and its not what you want?

How about you not question how I run my team and how many draft picks I trade. :haha: Did you even have a god damn draft pick this year?


Stick to the topic please no need to be a tool and try to personally attack me.

[BOSS]

Well its nice to see the majority that have posted do agree about 'Proposition B'. This rule would do wonders for this league. Might not feel it for a couple of seasons but in the end the league would be improved and on par with other FOF leagues.

Outside rules of the game sucks but this one is simple to follow.

[tarcone]

Why do you have to make this personal?

Are you upset cause a rule that will help the league and improve it has a good chance at passing and its not what you want?

How about you not question how I run my team and how many draft picks I trade. :haha: Did you even have a god damn draft pick this year?


Stick to the topic please no need to be a tool and try to personally attack me.

I believe the topic is NEW RULES PROPOSAL. Am I incorrect here?
Im also trying to save the integrity of the league. There is nothing worse for a league then an GM coming in and trading all their future picks, then leaving.

Im also tired of your use of the word "tool". Im not sure why you continue to insult GMs that have been in the league for several seasons. Or anyone for that matter.

As for questioning the way you are running your team. Im not doing that at all. I have been in and am in several leagues where GMs have traded their future picks then left.. Are you planning on doing this? If not, then I think you would be in favor of this rule.

[Hell Atlantic]

listen, just like how Cleveland drafted Lebron James doesn't mean he's there's forever, same goes here. players WANT to test free agency. they DON'T want to give up tens of millions of dollars. let's call it what it is - a bug in the game. its broken. thats ok, nothing wrong with a bug if you have procedures in place to work around it. just cuz you draft a player doesn't mean you get exclusive rights to him for his entire career. if you want to offer an insane contract, do it. there's nothing stopping you. you just can't use a known bug to circumvent the fact that the player wouldn't give up all that money. this has nothing to do with the fact that the IFL is not supposed to be the NFL. no player in any league would sign a contract like Torres' and the following year give up all that money.

you have to be able to make a choice between paying one player a LOT of money, or not signing that player and signing multiple players for the same price. or going with a younger alternative. that's football GMing 101. without that crucial decision then there's no need to play with financials on cuz it's all a waste of time. we can award FAs to team in alphabetical order then cuz that would make as much sense than the silly contracts that aren't honored in this league.

[Coder]

George, I think it becomes personal because you're settings things up to be personal.

You've been in the league for a very short time, and already complained and asked for more changes than most of have for our entire careers here.

Change for the better is great, and sometimes us "oldies" need a little poke in the back to realize that it's not wrong to move forward and explore new avenues, but my impression of you so far is that nothing is good enough. Your team sucks, FA sucks, trading sucks, the draft prospects suck, the league isn't handling this right, the league isn't handling that right, everyone who runs a team in the league is dumb for not seeings things your way.

With all these complaints of a league that so many have had a good time in for so long, you have to take a step back and think, "Is everything really wrong here, or am I the one who's wrong?". You're basically saying that everyone who's been enjoying this league for 10 seasons is a madman. How's that not personal?

With this statement I'm not saying that what you're suggesting is wrong, in fact, some of what you say is really great, but you've complained about so many things lately that I can hardly see the forest for all the trees you're planting.

[DakotaGeorge]

I believe the topic is NEW RULES PROPOSAL. Am I incorrect here?
Im also trying to save the integrity of the league. There is nothing worse for a league then an GM coming in and trading all their future picks, then leaving.

Im also tired of your use of the word "tool". Im not sure why you continue to insult GMs that have been in the league for several seasons. Or anyone for that matter.

As for questioning the way you are running your team. Im not doing that at all. I have been in and am in several leagues where GMs have traded their future picks then left.. Are you planning on doing this? If not, then I think you would be in favor of this rule.

First of all It is new RULE purposal not rules. it was A specific RULE we were discussing or in this case it was 2 that turned out to be 1. This wasnt the open discussion on all rules people wanted to bring up. If youd like to bring up a rule purposal do it in a thread that would be for that rule. Please stay on topic here.

[Underdog]

12 10+Win teams in IFL in 2013, 11 made the playoffs. 6 in each conference

9 10+Loss teams in IFL in 2013. 5 AFC and 4 NFC

11 9-W/L teams in IFL in 2013, 1 made playoffs - Congrats Stallions. 5 AFC and 6 NFC

current CAP space of teams with ...
10+Wins 150.6m or 12.6m avg
10+Loss 229.2m or 25.5m avg
9-W/L 376.1m or 34.2m avg

Interesting. On the surface it appears the better teams are within 10% of the CAP, still got rookies too sign ect... Also for some reason the worse teams are more CAP pressed than the nominal teams - interesting. would not have guessed that.

Here's some data: CAP space remaining per 2013 Win
10+Wins 1.17m avg
10+Loss 5.73m avg
9-W/L 4.32m avg

now that makes more sense to Underdog. With this current data Underdog offers some thoughts...

Looks like the better teams more fully exploit the IFL CAP
the lesser teams are not managing the CAP with the same effencies as the other teams

Relating to proposal A - expanding Bouns/Base rule to all contracts. Seems unnecessary to Underdog.

Relating to proposal B - limiting renegotiations to last year of contract. WOULD result in more UFAs, but Underdog thinks this is more likley to help the lesser clubs and thinks overall would be a solid idea.



NOTES on the data:
5 of 12 10+Win teams are under 10m in CAP, 3 are under 5m CAP
2 of 12 10+Win teams have more than 20M in CAP, but the most of those still has 3.23m per 2013 win, which is still less than the avg 9-W/L team

0 10+Loss teams are under 10m in CAP
6 of the 9 have more than 20m in CAP. 2 of these teams average 3.1m CAP per 2013 win which is less than the 20m CAP 10+Win teams average - ouch!
2 of these teams have more than 10m CAP per 2013 win

0 9-W/L teams are under 10m CAP
2 of the 11 9-W/L teams are under 20m CAP - 1.76m per 2013 win
7 of the 11 9-W/L teams have more than 30m CAP. These teams have 5.55m CAP per 2013 win, fairly close to the 10+Loss teams.
The most CAP per 2013 win of this group is 8.71m


Further notes:
There were a few outliner teams. Cleveland and Louisiana accounted for over 40% of the 10+Win current CAP available. Without Cleveland and Louisiana the 10+Win teams averaged 8.87m current CAP and 0.81m per 2013 win.
Oakland has 10.65m CAP per 2013 win.
Vancouver, Newark, California and Norfolk only accounted for only 20% of 9-W/L current CAP. Vancouver, Newark, California and Norfolk average 2.32m CAP per 2013 win