Processed: ORL/CAL trade

[JesterBlaze]

if you get annoyed at trade requests then you don't belong in a MP league. you can play solo if you don't want to be bothered.

If you don't like gameplanning you don't belong in an MP league.
If you don't like the fact that above average QB's don't get nominated for awards then you don't belong in an MP league.

Wow! It's really hard to assume "my way" is the MP way and tell others they don't belong. :roll:

i'm a MP veteran. you know how many times i've inquired about someone huge and the GM said "i wasn't thinking about moving him but you'd have to blow me away with an offer for me to consider". i have no problem blowing you away with an offer - i can't aquire a guy who isn't available. first step is seeing if the guy can be had. even if it's a high price. i'll determine if i'm prepared to pay the price.

Like Carl Wing?

"Jester, I'm interested in Carl Wing"

(After wasting time to look over a roster of nowhere-near-Wing-talent knowing full well you had no 1st round pick in the next decade) No problem I just need equal value at X,X, or X position.

"I can't do that. But if it's a M2M corner that you want (something Jester never said nor thought) how about a 12 year veteran CB with less skills?"

Uhh, no, I need actual value.

"I can't do that."

you can laugh all you want, but look at the job i've done with the team. it didn't get that way by itself. i went out and aquired all those guys you see. my process works.

I'm sorry you evidently feel I'm laughing at you. I'm not.

I'm not very impressed at all with what you've done. Focusing on one season at the expense of others has never impressed me and never will. Winning consistently ala Norfolk does.

i wasn't one of the teams that lucked out with a nice 2003 draft. most of the good teams with good players have the same good players they aquired in 2003.

This WAS true. A little old now.

me? i've had to do it the hard way. so if i got to bug some guys with unsolicited PMs about their awesome players so be it.

And I'm not saying that you're right or wrong. You're simply willing to look like an asshole and I try for the most part to stay away from it.

I would never stoop to offering some of the deals that I've seen you make as it's insulting to the other GM IMO. Just as all highlight reels can also be seen as a mistake NONE of your "moves" happen against good negotiators so I don't know how you can take credit for them. Outbidding the league for an "over-rated" 49 ovr HB that takes you to the Conference Championships is far more impressive IMO. Coercing GMs behind the scenes and blackballing anyone sensible on some list - not so much.

success isn't handed to you (unless you're jeff and you can just walk into a team with someone like Jay Caro). you gotta work for it. i don't do IFL for my health. i do it cuz i want to win.

I have no idea what Jeff was talking about regarding your stories.

[JesterBlaze]

The difference in opinions on how to run a team or conduct a trade is what enriches the league and gets people active. I am all for it.

I'll agree with this (within reason on the conducting a trade part - "anything goes" leagues suck).

I would have like to see this trade enriched with different opinions of what some other GMs would have offered. :mrgreen:


Of course that's the "fair play" part of me talking. The Phantom Phan loves this trade! I wanna marry this trade and have little trades just like it running around. :twisted:

[Matt]

I totally see your point. I just think that, IMO, you jumped the gun a little and didn't get full value. Edwards will develop into an elite CB, and injuries will not be a problem for him. Call me an optimist.

[Pirates]

The difference in opinions on how to run a team or conduct a trade is what enriches the league and gets people active. I am all for it.

I'll agree with this (within reason on the conducting a trade part - "anything goes" leagues suck).

I would have like to see this trade enriched with different opinions of what some other GMs would have offered. :mrgreen:


Of course that's the "fair play" part of me talking. The Phantom Phan loves this trade! I wanna marry this trade and have little trades just like it running around. :twisted:

Of course he was not up long, but I didnt get any offers. I guess no real arguement there.

[Pirates]

I totally see your point. I just think that, IMO, you jumped the gun a little and didn't get full value. Edwards will develop into an elite CB, and injuries will not be a problem for him. Call me an optimist.

Since, I traded him I totally disagree with you. If he becomes elite then I will look like a moron for about 7-9 seasons. I am hoping that does not happen since I am sure the Edwards Project will be watched for some time.

[JesterBlaze]

I would have been interested in him. My roster (what I could offer and cap space) would've had to be looked at more closely post-conversion so I can't say for sure I would've made an offer but the odds are good.

haha - I just realized you were on the opposite side (trading partner-wise) of this argument with Connell. I remember seeing that he was on the block and the next thread he was now on your team.

[Pirates]

Haha. I was just thinking about that one. It was real fast too? That is awesome!!!

[MrBigglesworth]

Couple of general points:

- Nobody should be afraid to PM someone about trades, even if the player isn't on the block

- Lets make the playoffs once before we start sucking our own d's about what a great system we have

- Try to keep your players on the market for a little while. Even if you think he sucks, a lot of people value different things in players

- It's ironic that Jeff is lecturing anyone on the value of WR's. Would he have given more than three first round picks for Edwards?

- Planes, Trains, and Automobiles is hilarious. "You're going the wrong way!" "How do they know where we're going?"

[sovstar]

if he's pissed about others missing out who weren't online then that's not his business - that's up to Pirates if he wants to roll the dice and hold off on a solid offer with a guy ready to deal for the small chance that someone else might want to make an offer.

What goes on in this league is my business, thank you.

[Hell Atlantic]

if he's pissed about others missing out who weren't online then that's not his business - that's up to Pirates if he wants to roll the dice and hold off on a solid offer with a guy ready to deal for the small chance that someone else might want to make an offer.

What goes on in this league is my business, thank you.

you're gonna love Phase 2 of my offseason, then. i'm crossing my fingers that i can pull it out. 8)

[sovstar]

This whole "Jeff acquired Caro for nothing" thing is not even valid. Jave wanted his team back. Jeff took over the open team. Caro was there and that made it an easy choice. He had Hamilton in Oakland..........and JC in Columbia..

FWIW, Jave didn't go as far as telling me he wanted his team back. He desired to get back into the league and it only made sense for him to take over his old team. His old team that had a franchise QB already as mentioned.

I was actually set to take over Vancouver until spunky dropped out. So yes, I took Portland over Vancouver. I can try and convince you all I want that Caro was not a key factor in that decision, but you probably wouldn't believe me anyways.

[sovstar]

- Try to keep your players on the market for a little while. Even if you think he sucks, a lot of people value different things in players

Thaaank you

- It's ironic that Jeff is lecturing anyone on the value of WR's. Would he have given more than three first round picks for Edwards?

Never gets old does it?

- Planes, Trains, and Automobiles is hilarious. "You're going the wrong way!" "How do they know where we're going?"

Thaaank you

[Hell Atlantic]

at no point since i've been here have you ever had anything to do with the studs on your team. as far as i can see you've been handed the stars by being opportunistic by replacing one good team for one in a better position.

LOL, OMG i just realized Jeff is the Phil Jackson (without the rings) of the IFL. hahahahaha

[sovstar]

Again, the only thing I thing I'm really shaking my head at is posting a guy on the block, saying you are trying to get feelers, then going and trading the guy just a small number of hours later. That's not getting a feel for the situation at all.

Players get traded without being on the block all the time. In SI's Football Manager you can make sure any negotiations you have with another team are private. That is something you'd want to do if you don't want to compete with other teams for a guy. So it happens and I understand that. Just don't play with guys' emotions like that.

Everyone has seen this before:

a) guy gets put on block
b) guy gets traded before most (or everyone) can see the block
c) guy or guys post how they would have given up a lot more than the guy who ended up getting him

Now sometimes they're just full of shit and maybe wouldn't have offered much more. But most of the time that's an emotional GM who is pissed off and would have given you more for that player because he thinks he's much more valuable.

Anyways, I'm not mad at'cha or anyone for that matter. I'm glad this got out in the air. Personally, I had no interest in Edwards because right now I'm not even in trade mode. I wouldn't even consider trading someone or trading for someone until after the franchise player stage.

[JesterBlaze]

if you leave the team i think the league should vote which available team you should be allowed to take over. to be honest that wouldn't be such a bad idea at all - to have the league vote who gets what team. the way you did it was very shady and behind the scenes.

While behind the scenes, I don't think there was anything shady about the transition. If I remember correctly it was done so that Jave's return to Oakland could be somewhat of a surprise.

Nonetheless, while I share your urge to see Jeff with a team long-term, for the betterment of the league long-time (and preferably skilled) GMs should get the best available teams only for fear of what a knucklehead could do to a great franchise in a short time.

A great franchise is the culmination of a great many moves and shouldn't be sabotaged from the inside.