2023 FA1 Stage 3 Complete

[iceman99]

Well I tend to live and die by the draft... IE my QB bust in another league ... rofl...

[Jave]

I agree free-agency has become retarded with the likes of Dakota and all. These 2 year contracts are becoming insane. I think its about time the rules committee look at them. This leaves a bad taste in mouth (for all teams that put in respectable offers for George.) I thought free agency was suppose to be enjoyable. Before you bash me hear me out. I think we should have to meet the contract length the player demands; which was 5 years for George by the way. Also, are we gonna have to sit through this for 5 years till Dakota starts facing real cap issues. Because Dakota has a jacked UP roster! I hope Hell nah to high tide whatever the saying is! Hahahah anyway...Don't get me wrong they aren't the only one but they are a prime example.

I have to agree with Budda. We as players are manipulating the game engine when we put in these offers knowing full well we are just using a "glitch" in the game to get him to sign with our team. If you look at the other offers other owners put in extremely large offers, but most of them were legitimate. I would be all in favor of a rule eliminating the "2 year glitch". Owners must make an offer at least matching the minimum years the player was asking for. If your a team such as Dakota and you have the cash anyway, it won't affect you. But it will give everyone a fair shot at the player. DG signed the player and still has 50 million dollars to spend on his roster.

What I don't like to see is these insane contracts signed, the player signs with "x" team, then the 2nd year, the owner offers another contract using the game engine to stabilize the contract back to normal levels saving millions and millions of dollars. That's cheating, not skill.

[DakotaGeorge]

Yeah I usually do. These teams will have to pay up eventually though. Karma is a Bitch. Hahahaha

I wont be paying because of the free agents. I will be paying because Im ballin' in so many first rounders. This guy is tying up money of mine for 2 years. 2. I have over 70 mil cap before I signed him. Im sure my financial department will have no problems cutting him checks over the next 2 years. He won't even see 20 mil his 2nd year. He is gonna reneg a more affordable deal at the end of the season because he is gonna want a long term deal.

[DakotaGeorge]

I have to agree with Budda. We as players are manipulating the game engine when we put in these offers knowing full well we are just using a "glitch" in the game to get him to sign with our team. If you look at the other offers other owners put in extremely large offers, but most of them were legitimate. I would be all in favor of a rule eliminating the "2 year glitch". Owners must make an offer at least matching the minimum years the player was asking for. If your a team such as Dakota and you have the cash anyway, it won't affect you. But it will give everyone a fair shot at the player. DG signed the player and still has 50 million dollars to spend on his roster.

What I don't like to see is these insane contracts signed, the player signs with "x" team, then the 2nd year, the owner offers another contract using the game engine to stabilize the contract back to normal levels saving millions and millions of dollars. That's cheating, not skill.

I bitched about this up and down my first season in the league. I got told by the inner circle to stfu. I agree with the game allowing you to reneg the deals back to normal afterwards is BS. BUT I do not agree that owners shouldnt be able to offer what they want for players. In the end you have done it yourself JAVE with big name players and so has other people. I forget who it was with that 20 rated kick returner was it cringer? hmm. Everyone has done it before. It is part of the game and maybe... you should write Jim a letter to update the financial engine in the game.

[BuddaKINGII]

:shithappens:


Here I will actually write something.

I dont care that you are butt hurt you didnt get him because you didnt want to pony up the dough. This happened with a like 20 rated DB a while back that was some stud special teams returner too. If teams have the money they should be able to spend it how they see fit. You dont like it? Free up some cap and make the money available.

and YES as long as I have the cap room and we have a VERY limited Free Agent market which makes supply and demand drive prices up. I will spend as much money as I want to get the guys I want. My team needs help and I am gonna do what I think will help it.

Changing the Mantra around here in Dakota from hey DG is Matt Millen to hey DG is GEORGE F'N STEINBRENNER.


I guess the morale of my story is with the few good free agents out there and people over spending is... put up or shut up. K thanks.

Well, Hell hurry up and get your roster in order. Hahaha..How fucking long does it take. Really. Jave will be battling with me and La and Fresno (those guys names I forgot lol) while you're still in the basement for the next 3 years. Damn guy you must like it.

[Jave]

Idea number 2 is to require the owner who signs a 2 year contract like Dakota's, 10 million salary, 10 million bonus for years one and two, then that owner is required to abide by the terms of the contract and there will be no renegotiating and that player will re-enter the free agency market when the contract expires. Knowing they will not be able to just renegotiate the contract back down in year 2 will discourage this practice.

[BuddaKINGII]

I know, I know. I should of done it too. That's what they always say. Lmao

[Jave]

He won't even see 20 mil his 2nd year. He is gonna reneg a more affordable deal at the end of the season because he is gonna want a long term deal.

What your saying is, he is going to renegotiate a new deal saving you millions and millions of dollars. And that, is cheating. This is just what I was talking about. Now I'm not accusing DG specifically as everyone does this. What I'm saying is, it's not right, it's cheating the game engine.

[Jave]

In the end you have done it yourself JAVE with big name players and so has other people. I forget who it was with that 20 rated kick returner was it cringer? hmm.

I've never done that. I've never had the money or cap space to do that. Ask anyone. My teams have always been right at, or over the cap.

And what I'm saying is, it's not just you, most everyone does it. I'm not pointing you out specifically, I just used your contract as an example of a rule that would make free agency more realistic and enjoyable.

[DakotaGeorge]

What your saying is, he is going to renegotiate a new deal saving you millions and millions of dollars. And that, is cheating. This is just what I was talking about. Now I'm not accusing DG specifically as everyone does this. What I'm saying is, it's not right, it's cheating the game engine.

I bitched about this same thing my first season in the league.

I think we need to SERIOUSLY consider a rule change in this league.

The economy is so fkd in this league that it is like baseball its like blank checks everywhere. How fair is it someone can give a 48 48 RB 17 mil over 2 years just to get the guy and then he can reneg the deal later. There is no realisim or fairness in this. I think over the next few years we need to turn down how much the cap goes up so the economy of this league can catch up. why should you have 60 guys under contract and be 28 mil under the cap (will probably be me this year.) It does not make sense. Its so scewed I could trade a mega star take a 17 mil cap hit cause of his bonuses and still feel absolutely no effects from it.

I think this needs to be looked at needs to be debated and a serious conversation/investigation done into this.


My plan would be to turn down the cap increase say over the next 5 seasons and let the economy of the league catch up or no cap incrase at all for the next 5 seasons. We really need to look into it this shouldn't be like a baseball league where you can be the New York Yankees in free agency and just bid 17 mil for 2 years for an average RB just to make sure you clinch his signing. There is a cap in football for a reason and I suggest we keep one aswell and with this current structure it is like our leagues sal cap is non existant.

[DakotaGeorge]

people like Jester said that it isnt unfair and it doesnt give anyone in the league an advantage and so on and as follows in that thread from years ago. My call to debate a rule on this was shot down.

[DakotaGeorge]

How is it not fair? Which team(s) in the IFL have an advantage because of it?



You've just walked into a bad team. If it's like this in 3 seasons then I'll be asking you why you have 60 guys only talented enough to take so little.



FWIW - The cap in football is an agreement between the owners and the player's association in large part so that the players on small market team's will get paid the same as large market teams. It's not a decision to arbitrarily reduce player salaries. As long as every team operates under the same cap and actually has the income to spend up to that cap then the cap works.

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For all this talk of FA contracts being ridiculous and whatnot I ask this: If at the end of the season the team still has cap room then what's the reasoning for thinking the FA contract was high?

If I had a boatload of cap money then I'd be offering $5M contracts to 35-45 rated roll players. Take a look at the contract that I'm offering a 3rd string QB just in case my starter and back-up get injured before the post-season. All my calculations left me with about $6M in projected extra cap space so I'm trying to spend $5M using the $1M for safety rule

The cap goes up so that the less talented rosters can buy their way back into contention. If they don't choose to spend the money then salary requests have no new precedents to be set against. As a result the spread of FA's is balanced instead of imbalanced and the league is imbalanced instead of balanced.

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[DakotaGeorge]

My point being Jave is that I brought this up in the past It was brutally shot down over a long long thread that was many pages.

[Jave]

people like Jester said that it isnt unfair and it doesnt give anyone in the league an advantage and so on and as follows in that thread from years ago. My call to debate a rule on this was shot down.

The thing about instituting a rule like this is, the people with the money in free agency will still be the big winners, and 90% of the time will still get the big name free agents. This rule won't change that, but it will equalize the playing field so to speak to give more people a reason to participate in free agency when they know they have a shot at every big name player.

Owners like myself stopped participating in free agency just for this reason. If I had say, 20 million to spend in FA, I knew I had no shot at 80% of the players so I pretty much ignored the entire stage. I see no reason why this rule wouldn't improve the game and league.

[DakotaGeorge]

The thing about instituting a rule like this is, the people with the money in free agency will still be the big winners, and 90% of the time will still get the big name free agents. This rule won't change that, but it will equalize the playing field so to speak to give more people a reason to participate in free agency when they know they have a shot at every big name player.

Owners like myself stopped participating in free agency just for this reason. If I had say, 20 million to spend in FA, I knew I had no shot at 80% of the players so I pretty much ignored the entire stage. I see no reason why this rule wouldn't improve the game and league.

Im not into big goverment. The people with the big money would still spend the big money to resign the FA the next time he became a FA. Also GMs would just start offering 3 year deals and renegging in the 2nd year. So there is ALWAYS gonna be a way to get things done.