Staff Stage 1 signings.

[Matt]

I agree.
If this was "real", you would more than likely sell out games when you had a winning record. the fact that there's a cap of max tickets sold for each area that's attainable in a season does not replicate something that's real

[Jave]

It works for me in this league, but didn't always in other leagues I was in. That's what I'm saying. You have to build your team.
Making the playoffs and hacving those games at home helps too

Don't get me wrong Matt. I think just like you, "STFU and win more games and it won't be an issue". Yes, I realize this, but I do believe this is a flaw in the code. I'm 3 time division champions. In the last 3 years I've gone 34-19. My team isn't chopped liver but I'm still not making much money. That's friggin sick that Newark TRIPLES what I make in a year. And realistically I don't see a OC or DC leaving a successful team, to go to a less successful team because they paid em 2mil more a year. At least with Haith I can justify it by saying, "hey, their the IFL bowl champs, who wouldn't turn that down?". But I don't even believe that. The only reason Haith jetted was Portland paid more. Bottom line.
The 2 "kickers" here is 1. You don't even get the opportunity to make a "stay with us" offer before coaching free agency. And the biggest one is, if they do leave and sign with another team your totally fucked because every single good coach was scooped up in FA1, so your stuck with the remaining turds.
It's obvious your not going to sign off on a "house rules" on this on that's fine. But it is a flaw I will bitch about every single year

[Matt]

every one gets to make an offer, so you do have the "stay with us". Your financials will dictate what the offer is. I can't stress enough that there is a significant "stay with us" code in the game. Your offer is based on a multiplier compared to competing teams. I don't know what the percentile is.

[Matt]

FINANCES

YR	ATT	SEATS	%	TV	TKT	STE	CONC	PRK	ADS		SAL	BON	TRN	CCH	SCT	MNT	STD	PROFIT
2003	48,500	73,200	66.3%	$30.0M	$22.4M	$5.0M	$3.5M	$1.5M	$8.1M		$38.3M	$7.2M	$6.2M	$9.3M	$6.3M	$3.7M	$0.2M	$-0.7M
2004	42,000	73,200	57.4%	$31.3M	$20.0M	$4.6M	$3.0M	$1.3M	$8.0M		$38.7M	$44.2M	$6.5M	$7.8M	$2.3M	$3.9M	$0.2M	$-35.3M
2005	51,700	73,200	70.6%	$32.6M	$19.0M	$3.1M	$3.8M	$1.6M	$7.6M		$46.5M	$28.5M	$5.1M	$13.4M	$5.4M	$3.9M	$0.2M	$-35.3M
2006	38,100	63,000	60.5%	$34.0M	$41.8M	$21.0M	$2.6M	$1.7M	$11.7M		$58.7M	$11.6M	$5.5M	$13.4M	$5.4M	$3.2M	$0.0M	$14.9M
2007	45,900	63,000	72.9%	$35.3M	$33.9M	$18.0M	$3.2M	$2.0M	$13.5M		$58.2M	$32.8M	$6.0M	$21.4M	$8.6M	$3.4M	$0.0M	$-24.5M
2008	46,700	63,000	74.1%	$36.6M	$34.9M	$18.5M	$3.2M	$2.0M	$14.7M		$69.2M	$15.7M	$6.9M	$21.4M	$8.6M	$3.7M	$0.0M	$-15.6M
2009	47,300	63,000	75.1%	$37.9M	$39.5M	$19.9M	$3.5M	$2.2M	$16.3M		$66.7M	$43.1M	$7.8M	$21.4M	$8.4M	$4.1M	$0.0M	$-32.0M
2010	47,900	63,000	76.0%	$40.5M	$37.9M	$19.6M	$3.8M	$2.4M	$17.4M		$61.9M	$29.9M	$6.9M	$24.4M	$8.4M	$4.4M	$0.0M	$-14.2M
2011	42,000	63,000	66.7%	$43.0M	$34.8M	$18.3M	$3.5M	$2.2M	$17.8M		$52.4M	$37.4M	$7.3M	$24.4M	$8.7M	$4.7M	$0.0M	$-15.3M
2012	42,200	63,000	67.0%	$45.6M	$34.6M	$19.1M	$3.5M	$2.2M	$16.7M		$54.1M	$59.3M	$7.6M	$24.4M	$9.0M	$4.7M	$0.0M	$-37.4M
2013	38,100	63,000	60.5%	$48.2M	$32.8M	$15.0M	$3.0M	$2.0M	$15.2M		$53.6M	$46.3M	$7.6M	$24.4M	$9.0M	$4.7M	$0.0M	$-29.4M
2014	35,700	63,000	56.7%	$50.7M	$31.2M	$14.1M	$2.8M	$1.8M	$14.2M		$53.3M	$82.8M	$7.7M	$24.4M	$11.1M	$4.7M	$0.0M	$-69.1M
2015	35,700	63,000	56.7%	$53.3M	$33.6M	$14.5M	$2.8M	$1.8M	$13.7M		$69.7M	$25.5M	$9.8M	$30.3M	$11.4M	$4.7M	$0.0M	$-31.8M
2016	36,400	63,000	57.8%	$55.8M	$34.5M	$14.4M	$2.8M	$1.9M	$13.4M		$74.8M	$66.4M	$9.8M	$30.3M	$11.4M	$4.8M	$0.0M	$-74.7M
2017	50,700	63,000	80.5%	$58.2M	$35.7M	$16.5M	$4.8M	$3.1M	$14.6M		$73.2M	$80.4M	$10.9M	$30.3M	$11.4M	$5.2M	$0.0M	$-78.7M
2018	53,000	63,000	84.1%	$60.6M	$34.5M	$22.9M	$5.5M	$3.5M	$16.4M		$64.7M	$108.9M	$12.0M	$30.3M	$11.6M	$5.7M	$0.0M	$-89.8M
2019	51,300	63,000	81.4%	$62.9M	$36.9M	$23.4M	$5.2M	$3.3M	$15.7M		$80.0M	$64.0M	$12.0M	$30.3M	$13.1M	$5.6M	$0.0M	$-57.6M

PERFORMANCE

YR	RECORD	POSTSEASON	PASS LEADER	RUSH LEADER	RECV LEADER	TKL LEADER	SK LEADER	INT LEADER
2003	2-14-0	None	Joseph Granger (1119)	Gaston Lomeli (1248)	Ernest Martinez (610)	Ken Allmon (92)	Derek Nelson (8.5)	Stephen Moreau (2)
2004	6-10-0	None	Gene Hamilton (2951)	Wesley Connell (954)	Ernest Martinez (1317)	Ken Allmon (131)	Derek Nelson (11)	Patrick Davey (5)
2005	6-10-0	None	Gene Hamilton (3829)	Wesley Connell (915)	Ernest Martinez (1002)	Ken Allmon (124)	Derek Nelson (7)	Ken Allmon (2)
2006	11-5-0	Conference Champion	Gene Hamilton (4227)	Gaston Lomeli (1334)	Kurt Bice (1328)	Burl Nickels (89)	Richard Mitchell (6.5)	Ken Allmon (3)
2007	8-8-0	Divisional Round	Gene Hamilton (3807)	Gaston Lomeli (1127)	Ernest Martinez (1375)	Dennis Gallup (121)	Everett Brazinski (7.5)	Reuben Cobb (4)
2008	10-6-0	Wildcard Round	Gene Hamilton (3954)	Gaston Lomeli (925)	Kurt Bice (1552)	Dennis Gallup (122)	Dennis Gallup (4.5)	Patrick Davey (5)
2009	9-7-0	Conference Round	Gene Hamilton (3602)	Rico Bailey (846)	Ernest Martinez (1296)	Joe Sims (91)	Dwayne Francisco (5)	Joshua McLaughlin (3)
2010	8-8-0	None	Gene Hamilton (3536)	Gaston Lomeli (652)	Ernest Martinez (1423)	Ken Allmon (98)	Gregory Shook (5)	Joshua McLaughlin (3)
2011	3-13-0	None	Horace Donovan (2001)	Rico Bailey (1107)	Christopher Tessier (480)	Jon Hawkins (140)	Dwayne Francisco (5)	Raymond Flemister (5)
2012	6-10-0	None	Horace Donovan (3285)	Rico Bailey (1333)	Bart Shepard (657)	Jon Hawkins (126)	Sean Carlson (5.5)	Nicky Doyle (3)
2013	4-12-0	None	Horace Donovan (3447)	Rico Bailey (550)	David Thomason (722)	Ken Allmon (122)	Sean Carlson (4.5)	Nicky Doyle (4)
2014	5-10-1	None	Horace Donovan (2748)	Geoff Wilson (1585)	Geoff Wilson (761)	Jon Hawkins (133)	Rickey Doyle (7.5)	Conrad de Marco (6)
2015	6-10-0	None	Horace Donovan (3503)	Geoff Wilson (1241)	David Thomason (789)	Jon Hawkins (103)	Rickey Doyle (11)	Warren Farley (4)
2016	9-7-0	None	Horace Donovan (4140)	Geoff Wilson (1497)	Sherman Jarvis (1346)	Jon Hawkins (85)	Sean Carlson (8.5)	Warren Farley (5)
2017	11-5-0	Wildcard Round	Horace Donovan (1969)	Geoff Wilson (1298)	David Thomason (759)	Jon Hawkins (91)	Rickey Doyle (13.5)	Conrad de Marco (6)
2018	9-7-0	Divisional Round	Stephen Scott (2911)	Geoff Wilson (1835)	Winston Stuart (633)	Jon Hawkins (91)	Rickey Doyle (9)	Omar Navarro (7)
2019	11-5-0	Conference Round	Horace Donovan (3776)	Geoff Wilson (1205)	Winston Stuart (965)	Herman Hastings (109)	Rickey Doyle (13)	Derek Torres (3)

PERFORMANCE

YR	RECORD	POSTSEASON	PASS LEADER	RUSH LEADER	RECV LEADER	TKL LEADER	SK LEADER	INT LEADER
2003	7-9-0	None	Chris Chaplin (1904)	Jerry Daugherty (1032)	Andrew Robey (702)	Domingo Persaud (101)	Justin Jones (10)	Michael Brown (6)
2004	8-8-0	None	Chris Chaplin (3132)	Chris Chaplin (458)	Andrew Robey (833)	Domingo Persaud (96)	Justin Jones (13)	Gregory Boyd (8)
2005	10-6-0	None	Scott Nelson (1990)	Alan Crespo (2106)	Andrew Robey (950)	Jamison Roland (94)	Daryl Brown (7)	Gregory Boyd (3)
2006	9-7-0	None	Scott Nelson (2058)	Alan Crespo (1732)	Andrew Robey (698)	Domingo Persaud (85)	Landon Marshall (5.5)	Stephen Jaynes (3)
2007	10-6-0	Divisional Round	Ruben Sante (1572)	Alan Crespo (2068)	Kraig Marasco (677)	Landon Marshall (102)	Julian Mangrum (6)	Stephen Jaynes (4)
2008	11-5-0	Divisional Round	Ruben Sante (2835)	Alan Crespo (1752)	Kraig Marasco (937)	Landon Marshall (113)	Robert Pruitt (5)	Gregory Boyd (5)
2009	8-8-0	None	Dwight Burger (1518)	Alan Crespo (1389)	Kraig Marasco (871)	Landon Marshall (82)	Robert Pruitt (3.5)	Stephen Jaynes (6)
2010	5-11-0	None	Dwight Burger (3441)	Frankie Buzzanca (827)	Kraig Marasco (1100)	Gregory Boyd (96)	Otis Gaylor (10.5)	Gregory Boyd (2)
2011	11-5-0	Wildcard Round	Dwight Burger (3755)	Alan Crespo (830)	Kraig Marasco (847)	Jose Welch (89)	Otis Gaylor (9)	Stephen Jaynes (4)
2012	8-8-0	Divisional Round	Dwight Burger (3176)	Chad Richardson (832)	Kraig Marasco (834)	Jose Welch (97)	Jose Welch (3)	Nolan Lawson (4)
2013	9-7-0	None	Dwight Burger (3741)	Alan Crespo (816)	Frank Togiai (759)	Jose Welch (106)	Chad Banks (8.5)	Duane Edwards (3)
2014	10-6-0	Wildcard Round	Dwight Burger (3785)	C.J. Rambo (1187)	Frank Togiai (766)	Mack Edwards (91)	Arnold Lantz (7.5)	Duane Edwards (5)
2015	9-7-0	Wildcard Round	Dwight Burger (3407)	Sherman Spence (1230)	Jessie Lucas (885)	Mack Edwards (99)	Mack Edwards (10)	Juan Carlisle (5)
2016	13-3-0	Divisional Round	Dwight Burger (3761)	Gary Jamison (1576)	Jose Hoover (864)	Mack Edwards (74)	Mack Edwards (6.5)	Craig Hampton (6)
2017	13-3-0	Conference Round	Dwight Burger (3790)	Gary Jamison (1745)	Jessie Lucas (707)	Mack Edwards (55)	Mack Edwards (8)	Craig Hampton (4)
2018	9-7-0	None	Dwight Burger (4039)	Gary Jamison (1426)	Jessie Lucas (938)	Mack Edwards (81)	Julio Wheeler (8)	Mack Edwards (2)
2019	14-2-0	Conference Champion	Dwight Burger (4127)	Gary Jamison (1507)	Jose Hoover (830)	T.J. Hanks (68)	Chad Banks (7)	Nicky Doyle (6)

FINANCES

YR	ATT	SEATS	%	TV	TKT	STE	CONC	PRK	ADS		SAL	BON	TRN	CCH	SCT	MNT	STD	PROFIT
2003	65,400	65,700	99.5%	$30.0M	$33.9M	$98.1M	$11.1M	$3.3M	$21.8M		$49.2M	$11.2M	$10.0M	$10.8M	$9.5M	$4.5M	$0.0M	$103.1M
2004	63,800	65,700	97.1%	$31.3M	$34.7M	$96.6M	$11.1M	$3.3M	$21.7M		$51.1M	$32.9M	$10.1M	$7.2M	$3.5M	$4.6M	$0.0M	$89.3M
2005	61,600	65,700	93.8%	$32.6M	$34.6M	$97.9M	$11.0M	$2.7M	$22.2M		$47.2M	$39.9M	$10.8M	$11.8M	$8.7M	$4.9M	$0.0M	$77.8M
2006	58,900	65,700	89.6%	$34.0M	$37.3M	$82.8M	$10.8M	$2.7M	$22.8M		$50.4M	$25.5M	$11.9M	$15.8M	$9.0M	$5.0M	$35.3M	$37.3M
2007	63,100	65,700	96.0%	$35.3M	$41.1M	$108.1M	$12.9M	$3.1M	$22.6M		$57.4M	$24.3M	$12.4M	$15.8M	$9.2M	$5.0M	$35.3M	$63.8M
2008	62,700	65,700	95.4%	$36.6M	$46.9M	$106.4M	$14.8M	$3.6M	$26.8M		$51.0M	$45.3M	$14.5M	$27.4M	$9.3M	$5.9M	$35.3M	$46.4M
2009	65,400	65,700	99.5%	$37.9M	$73.9M	$123.8M	$14.8M	$6.3M	$29.2M		$49.7M	$59.0M	$15.6M	$27.4M	$9.5M	$6.1M	$0.0M	$118.7M
2010	64,800	65,700	98.6%	$40.5M	$73.4M	$123.5M	$15.5M	$6.6M	$30.3M		$56.7M	$33.4M	$12.3M	$30.1M	$10.8M	$6.5M	$0.0M	$139.8M
2011	64,300	65,700	97.9%	$43.0M	$73.9M	$122.7M	$16.2M	$7.0M	$30.6M		$63.9M	$29.3M	$13.2M	$30.1M	$11.6M	$7.0M	$0.0M	$138.3M
2012	64,000	65,700	97.4%	$45.6M	$80.6M	$136.4M	$18.0M	$7.8M	$30.9M		$61.8M	$55.0M	$13.6M	$32.2M	$11.7M	$7.2M	$0.0M	$137.6M
2013	63,900	65,700	97.3%	$48.2M	$74.7M	$123.8M	$17.7M	$7.6M	$33.5M		$66.7M	$36.5M	$14.7M	$35.9M	$11.7M	$7.8M	$0.0M	$132.1M
2014	63,900	65,700	97.3%	$50.7M	$74.5M	$123.8M	$17.7M	$7.6M	$33.0M		$71.7M	$40.0M	$14.8M	$35.9M	$12.0M	$7.9M	$0.0M	$125.0M
2015	63,800	65,700	97.1%	$53.3M	$77.2M	$123.7M	$18.7M	$8.1M	$34.7M		$66.3M	$85.1M	$15.5M	$39.8M	$12.3M	$8.4M	$0.0M	$88.4M
2016	64,500	65,700	98.2%	$55.8M	$82.0M	$137.4M	$23.2M	$10.0M	$39.2M		$67.1M	$60.0M	$17.0M	$39.8M	$13.8M	$9.5M	$0.0M	$140.4M
2017	64,800	65,700	98.6%	$58.2M	$82.7M	$138.1M	$24.9M	$8.2M	$41.8M		$82.7M	$36.0M	$17.9M	$42.2M	$14.0M	$10.0M	$0.0M	$151.0M
2018	65,700	65,700	100.0%	$60.6M	$78.5M	$129.5M	$24.5M	$8.1M	$45.4M		$86.4M	$79.9M	$29.1M	$49.2M	$14.3M	$10.8M	$0.0M	$77.1M
2019	65,700	65,700	100.0%	$62.9M	$109.6M	$190.2M	$30.8M	$10.2M	$47.1M		$93.5M	$56.1M	$31.1M	$49.2M	$14.6M	$11.4M	$133.2M	$61.8M

[Matt]

compare the records
before your past 3 good seasons you had 5 seasons of under .500.

My team has a level of consistency atleast. We are winning. My fans come to the games and I increase ticket costs

[Matt]

interesting info here.

I checked Chris's team because he posted in here.
something was obviously done by someone running Montreal.
You don't go from making profit every yr to losing money like this

I'd check things out and adjust it

FINANCES

YR	ATT	SEATS	%	TV	TKT	STE	CONC	PRK	ADS		SAL	BON	TRN	CCH	SCT	MNT	STD	PROFIT
2003	64,400	64,500	99.8%	$30.0M	$38.0M	$29.7M	$8.2M	$2.4M	$19.6M		$42.9M	$2.3M	$6.2M	$5.4M	$10.4M	$2.6M	$0.0M	$58.3M
2004	63,000	64,500	97.7%	$31.3M	$33.1M	$25.0M	$8.1M	$2.4M	$18.9M		$44.5M	$15.4M	$6.5M	$7.1M	$3.8M	$2.6M	$0.0M	$38.9M
2005	62,500	64,500	96.9%	$32.6M	$37.1M	$26.6M	$8.5M	$2.5M	$19.8M		$41.2M	$36.8M	$7.0M	$7.1M	$5.7M	$2.8M	$0.0M	$26.7M
2006	61,000	64,500	94.6%	$34.0M	$38.8M	$29.6M	$8.2M	$2.5M	$19.7M		$48.5M	$31.3M	$7.2M	$7.1M	$5.7M	$2.9M	$0.0M	$30.1M
2007	61,300	64,500	95.0%	$35.3M	$41.4M	$28.5M	$9.0M	$2.2M	$21.4M		$48.0M	$54.0M	$6.0M	$7.8M	$5.7M	$3.1M	$0.0M	$13.0M
2008	59,100	64,500	91.6%	$36.6M	$40.9M	$27.2M	$8.7M	$2.1M	$20.8M		$50.4M	$29.6M	$8.3M	$18.3M	$5.3M	$3.2M	$0.0M	$21.2M
2009	53,400	64,500	82.8%	$37.9M	$36.3M	$23.8M	$7.7M	$1.9M	$19.6M		$49.0M	$41.1M	$8.5M	$18.3M	$5.4M	$3.2M	$0.0M	$1.8M
2010	49,700	64,500	77.1%	$40.5M	$35.3M	$22.6M	$7.2M	$1.8M	$18.8M		$53.8M	$34.4M	$8.5M	$18.3M	$6.2M	$3.3M	$0.0M	$1.8M
2011	52,300	64,500	81.1%	$43.0M	$32.0M	$22.9M	$7.5M	$1.9M	$17.8M		$50.1M	$56.5M	$5.9M	$23.9M	$7.5M	$3.4M	$0.0M	$-22.1M
2012	49,500	64,500	76.7%	$45.6M	$32.9M	$22.4M	$7.6M	$2.0M	$18.6M		$61.7M	$52.2M	$6.0M	$23.9M	$7.7M	$3.7M	$0.0M	$-26.0M
2013	49,200	64,500	76.3%	$48.2M	$32.2M	$25.3M	$8.0M	$2.1M	$19.7M		$59.8M	$56.5M	$5.6M	$23.9M	$9.3M	$3.9M	$0.0M	$-23.6M
2014	48,900	64,500	75.8%	$50.7M	$31.2M	$21.9M	$7.9M	$2.1M	$18.6M		$70.6M	$52.5M	$11.0M	$31.0M	$11.0M	$3.9M	$0.0M	$-47.7M
2015	48,600	64,500	75.3%	$53.3M	$31.7M	$25.8M	$8.5M	$2.2M	$19.8M		$66.8M	$73.4M	$11.2M	$31.0M	$11.3M	$4.2M	$0.0M	$-56.8M
2016	52,300	64,500	81.1%	$55.8M	$33.8M	$25.6M	$9.1M	$2.4M	$19.4M		$71.8M	$63.1M	$9.4M	$31.4M	$11.6M	$4.3M	$0.0M	$-45.4M
2017	47,900	64,500	74.3%	$58.2M	$41.5M	$23.6M	$9.7M	$2.6M	$15.7M		$67.4M	$68.5M	$8.8M	$32.8M	$12.6M	$4.3M	$0.0M	$-43.1M
2018	42,800	64,500	66.4%	$60.6M	$29.0M	$22.7M	$6.3M	$1.7M	$14.4M		$82.1M	$42.4M	$7.4M	$32.8M	$12.6M	$3.9M	$0.0M	$-46.6M
2019	41,500	64,500	64.3%	$62.9M	$28.4M	$20.6M	$6.5M	$1.7M	$15.5M		$88.9M	$129.4M	$11.3M	$36.0M	$12.8M	$4.1M	$0.0M	$-146.7M

[Jave]

The game would be a LOT better financially if Jim just tuned the attendance to favor more quicker. Shit, you can't even sell out playoff games, that should be automatic in the game.

My stadium cap is 60.3k

2008
Game 1 = 46.1k fans
Game 16 (13-3 record going in) = 49.7k fans

2009
Game 1 = 48.5k fans
Game 8 (7-0 record going in) = 48.5k fans
W.Card (first ever postseason home game) = 48.5k fans

2010 (23-9 past 2 seasons)
Game 1 = 45.4k fans
Game 16 (10-6, playoff bound) = 48k fans

2011
Game 5 (3-1 record and 3 straight postseasons) = 49.4k fans

.....

then my brief history of winning stopped

......

I can't believe I started doing well in 2008 and couldn't even top 50k fans by a 3-1 record in 2011. While the seasons after that, I started increasing my fans, it was because the 'fan support' meter finally increased.

Sure, he can make it painfully frustrating to renovate stadiums, but it's inexcusable for him to have such a flawed attendance system, especially since he makes the team financial system so dependent on the coach hiring stage. Ugh, Jim sucks.

I couldn't agree more. The current setting of 3-4 consistently winning seasons in order to fill the seats is complete BS. The minute your able to throw together a 3-4 game winning streak, the bandwagon fans start filling the stadium, buying the jerseys etc...
if you make the playoffs, there's not going to be an empty seat in the house.

[Mike17]

The flaw in the logic here is the idea that you have to have consistent winning seasons to make money.

There's no penalty for not spending all your cap dollars, high popularity players put fans in the stands, and if it's the last year of your coach's deal and you know you aren't winning it all this year, then maybe don't go out and give a huge signing bonus to some free agent.

[JesterBlaze]

I couldn't agree more. The current setting of 3-4 consistently winning seasons in order to fill the seats is complete BS. The minute your able to throw together a 3-4 game winning streak, the bandwagon fans start filling the stadium, buying the jerseys etc...
if you make the playoffs, there's not going to be an empty seat in the house.

You seem to be thinking as a football fan. New fans (boosting popularity) have no previous interest in the sport. Would 3-4 wins in a row get you to watch...

WNBA
Soccer
Cricket
Rugby

???


When I lived back East with SteveBeans the culture would latch onto anything competitive so the bandwagon jumpers you speak of are there. Here in Albuquerque the culture is different and I see why there's no professional sports here. I don't think 3-4 winning seasons of a pro football team would change much. Isn't UNM a joke in college football? They probably find it hard to field a team.

[SteveBsFan]

You seem to be thinking as a football fan. New fans (boosting popularity) have no previous interest in the sport. Would 3-4 wins in a row get you to watch...

WNBA
Soccer
Cricket
Rugby

???


When I lived back East with SteveBeans the culture would latch onto anything competitive so the bandwagon jumpers you speak of are there. Here in Albuquerque the culture is different and I see why there's no professional sports here. I don't think 3-4 winning seasons of a pro football team would change much. Isn't UNM a joke in college football? They probably find it hard to field a team.

You do have a point there, perhaps I'm used to this area where we grew up with the 4 major sports shoved down our throats, the second one of the 4 local teams start winning, the bandwagon is full.

However, the Revolution (soccer) I think has had some decent seasons, but they still don't make headlines and attendance probably sucks.

Like you said, in other parts of the country, the attitude is different. I've seen NHL teams fail horribly when they try to put teams in places that just don't really grab on, especially in the south.

I think the 'fan loyalty' bar should be replaced with something like 'fan interest' which should fluctuate at a much quicker rate possibly depending on a few factors aside wins.. poverty level, entertainment competition, etc.

Oh well, I know this is talk that will be forgotten in a week until next off-season's coach period, but it's good discussion regardless.

[Jave]

WNBA
Soccer
Cricket
Rugby

That is one weak example. Your going to put cricket and rugby in the same trough as the NBA and NFL? That's apples and oranges. Try a more realistic example. If the local NBA team is sucking, and starts winning, then yes, I probably would go out and get tickets. I'm a sports fan, you can't use frikkin rugby as an example. They have to at least be a professional team. NBA, NFL, MLB, NHL......

[markc]

The game would be a LOT better financially if Jim just tuned the attendance to favor more quicker. Shit, you can't even sell out playoff games, that should be automatic in the game.
...
Sure, he can make it painfully frustrating to renovate stadiums, but it's inexcusable for him to have such a flawed attendance system, especially since he makes the team financial system so dependent on the coach hiring stage. Ugh, Jim sucks.

+1. I got ZERO additional fans to show up for my final home game when we were playing for a playoff spot for the first time in 10 yrs! In real life those tickets should have been hard to come by. I shot Solcesmic Support an email about it. It shouldn't be that hard to code in the impact of a playoff run on attendance - of course then he would probably need to code in something to reduce attendance for a team fading at the end of a season.

[Kobeck]

Mark - yep and Fresno would only have Bob Ucker sitting in the 'front row!'

Matt - interestingly Montreal would have been in the black every year if not for bonus $. Not saying teams should not pay bonuses but clearly the Firebirds somewhat controled that bottom line, at least to a degree. Don' have game access right now, but I'm thinking Fresno losses would be bonus $$$ related as well.

Really no getting around some bounuses though. I mean do you let Albert "Jeff George" Schwartz walk to retain a 72y.o. HC???

[Matt]

Look at the % filled. They were 90% filled and then the next year they went down 10%. They haven't made significant money since.
Not hard to figure out.

[JesterBlaze]

Can we see the % of each seat type filled or just total attendance?