I want to open a discussion on this.

[Coder]

As someone with the experience of being a commish, I can tell you that I would never want to be the commissioner for a league where I'd have to monitor every team's situation against the cap manually.

It's easy to say "enforce a manual salary cap" when you're the GM, but then you don't have to be the one monitoring caps, voiding contracts etc for every turn of FA.

Also, voiding a contract "after the fact" messes up an entire bidding-run for a player, maybe an entire team's strategy.

Lets say I bid, "legally" for a player. Another team offers him a monster offer and I lose out. What we don't realize at this point, this particular round, is that the monster offer took the other team over the cap, so in the next round I bid for and sign a lower rated player to a slightly overpaying offer; but I have some cash I had intended for the first player so it's not that big of a deal and I fill my need though with a less talented player.

Then the issue with the first offer is discovered, and the contract is voided and the player is back on the market. Now there's no way I can afford my initial offer, and besided I've already signed a player to fill my need.. but I still would have preferred that my initial offer which was legal had gone through, because that other player was better.

Therefore, the guy who (and he will exist in every league) intentionally or most likely unintentionally broke the rule messed up for a) the commissioner, b) himself, and c) for every other GM who was interested in the player.

All because we had a MANUALLY MONITORED salary cap instead of an in-game salary cap that prevented the offer from being made to start with.

Do you now realize why manually monitored stuff won't work?

Besides.. I really think this discussion has gotten out of hand. This can be discussed in a civil manner but that's not what's going on here. Lets not accuse people left and right and question their competence; act as adults.

[Kobeck]

I'm cool man

[DakotaGeorge]

As someone with the experience of being a commish, I can tell you that I would never want to be the commissioner for a league where I'd have to monitor every team's situation against the cap manually.

It's easy to say "enforce a manual salary cap" when you're the GM, but then you don't have to be the one monitoring caps, voiding contracts etc for every turn of FA.

Also, voiding a contract "after the fact" messes up an entire bidding-run for a player, maybe an entire team's strategy.

Lets say I bid, "legally" for a player. Another team offers him a monster offer and I lose out. What we don't realize at this point, this particular round, is that the monster offer took the other team over the cap, so in the next round I bid for and sign a lower rated player to a slightly overpaying offer; but I have some cash I had intended for the first player so it's not that big of a deal and I fill my need though with a less talented player.

Then the issue with the first offer is discovered, and the contract is voided and the player is back on the market. Now there's no way I can afford my initial offer, and besided I've already signed a player to fill my need.. but I still would have preferred that my initial offer which was legal had gone through, because that other player was better.

Therefore, the guy who (and he will exist in every league) intentionally or most likely unintentionally broke the rule messed up for a) the commissioner, b) himself, and c) for every other GM who was interested in the player.

All because we had a MANUALLY MONITORED salary cap instead of an in-game salary cap that prevented the offer from being made to start with.

Do you now realize why manually monitored stuff won't work?

Besides.. I really think this discussion has gotten out of hand. This can be discussed in a civil manner but that's not what's going on here. Lets not accuse people left and right and question their competence; act as adults.

Any team going over the cap would lose draft pick/picks.

Reguardless its not how large the offers are its the amount of money people have to make the large offers. the Salary Cap is non existant making our Free Agent market non existant. Which in turn makes the off season nothing but resign who you want n need check for someone elses garbage and see if you can bid 20 mil for it. Then draft and repeat. In a league with a Real Sal Cap there would be some big names on the market teams needing to re do their contracts to fit their stars in their cap strategic stuff that GMs have to do all the time. Instead this new version of the game for whatever reason cause in the single player mode you start a season from scratch the sal cap finance system works but i guess it might be importing 04 into the new game but reguardless this new version of the game is on easy mode where the game isnt challenging no players will ever trade hands if you have a dynasty dont worry cause there will be no competition for your players when their contract is up and no shortage of money to over pay them so they stay and dont go to FA market. It will take a totally destroyed team in this league like 10 seasons of drafting to become good. because the good teams with the good players will never lose 1 good player they want... BLANK CHECKS OPEN CHECK BOOK finace. Highly unrealistic. Anyways lets not explore ways to fix this issue lets bury it under the rug because people dont want to actually improve what is obviously something broken.

[DakotaGeorge]

Anyways some where there must be threads on FOF central with other ideas on how to fix this problem for our league. Im tired I will research later today since no one else seems interested in improveing the quality of the league by fixing what every other league has deemed a problem.


P.S. we know its not a problem for you jester you dont want to lose your highly over paid players to the FA market.

[Suicane]

George, Please stop talking at, thru and down to me, i'm trying to be as cordial as I can with you concerning the issues you have and you are being abundantly obtuse to what I am saying.

1) If you don't like the salary cap issue, feel free to find a feasible solution and bring it to me, I will then put it to a vote and if the league decides in favor of it I will implement it.

2) I will gladly put to a vote any rule enchancements that people think will help aleviate this or any issue the league has. I am already planning on putting one such rule to a vote (the backloading of contracts, specificaly limiting the % a base salary can rise from one year to the next).

3) I will consider putting it to a vote as to wether to implement a "no renogotiation until the final year of a contract" rule. I will be honest and say that im leery of this rule for the reasons i've stated in a post above but to reiterate, it's a lot of work for a commish to enforce and most likely will not have the magnitude of effect that some hope for.

4) I am afraid that all these things will not sufficiently placate your want to have the type of free agency you desire.

5) I do not think you're an idiot because you want better free agency so please don't address me in a deragotary manner because I have no problem with the state of the league.

[Coder]

George,

You didn't really read what I said, but that's ok. Given the hour I'm sure you're too tired right now, but please take a moment to grasp the essence of what I'm saying.

Manually monitored rules will be broken, intentionally or unintentionally, and cause problems for EVERYONE, not just the player breaking the rule.

[Suicane]

I'm calm man. Stupid Coder jerk face.

[Coder]

I'm calm man. Stupid Coder jerk face.

You bish! Damn foreigner!

[Jave]

:suicanesmunchies:

[Chris Rex]

This better than most 'troll' threads on the net. I can't believe what I'm seeing, but I can't look away...
:suicanesmunchies:

[eckman]

george should go browse some of the other top leagues and compare their rules and come up with one that is somewhat easy to implement. I am out of here if there are some crazy ass rules that you have to remember all the time.

The only rules that I have seen in these leagues are the last year renegotiation rule and the first stage of fa all players must be given at least a 3 year deal.

[Chris Rex]

By the way, me having the most 'previous first rounders' on my squad, I dont have ANY friggin cap room to work with. Ask this question again in a few years when you are trying to renegotiate 3 high first round draft picks. I'd suck HA's cock to have even 10 Mill in 'free' cap space.

Ok, I wouldn't suck HA's cock, but...

Well, not without a few drinks anyway. A few drinks and 10 Million in cap space.

And this thermos... That's all I need.

[Jave]

This better than most 'troll' threads on the net. I can't believe what I'm seeing, but I can't look away...
:suicanesmunchies:

Haha this is some good shit! League hasn't been this much fun since Jeff and I were trashing on each other back in the 04' days!!

I read all the posts and while I agree with both sides, it's not perfect, the fact is, we all play under the same set of rules.

Georgia with 61million cap space plays under the same rules Tulsa plays with at only 5 million cap space. What you choose to do with that cap space is entirely up to you. It's not perfect but who gives a shit? It's not like Georgia has a huge advantage over Tulsa because he has all this cap space to play with. Tulsa went 13-3 last year so he must be doing something right. Instead of complaining about how flawed the system is, be glad you have the extra cap space to play with. Sure as fuck wish I had it back in the Hamilton/Martinez/Bice days, I would have never had to disassemble one of the most potent passing/receiving combinations ever created.
The huge cap space you see is an illusion. If your playing the game by the rules, using every advantage you have, trust me, you will be bitching that the players are asking to much. You weren't here, but my QB Hamilton was asking 22 million a year, Martinez 14 million a year, and Bice, before he went down with a career ending injury wanted 17 million a year. Once you have spend a few years building your team and have a core of players that start to be successful, watch and see the fucking crazy contracts they ask. Then come back and revisit this thread.

[Matt]

3 words


ho le fuck

[Matt]

george should go browse some of the other better run leagues .

hmm,
not sure how we shoudl take this.