Week 6 Discussion

[BuddaKINGII]

what a sad season for the Heroes. it wasn't supposed to be like this. i guess cohesion really is the only thing that matters. very realistic. i mean, if that's the case then the Patriots have no business winning all these games the last 5 years, with all the new faces management has brought in.

i expected more out of the offense. i guess outside of WR Mullin and Collela, we maybe don't have much else going on. what's the point in having a top 5 QB and the best WR in the league if you can't even put up 17 points per game?

hang in there! you got a good team all you have to do is build some cohesion...:|

[kingfc22]

Gah. Didn't realize this was a double week. Of course it probably wouldn't have mattered anyways.

[roadrash]

What's the chance that someone would like to be a backup HTML uploader? You don't have to be a commish to create the HTML, it's at the bottom of the almanac menu. All I'd have to do is give you FTP access to the imperialfl.us/leaguehtml folder . You'd have to know file management and FTP.

Regardless, the updated HTML is up. As usual, it can be found here -- http://www.imperialfl.us/leaguehtml

Well, tomorrow I'll be uploading the db after the game, I can take care of the html as well

[sovstar]

Well, tomorrow I'll be uploading the db after the game, I can take care of the html as well

Okay. That's assuming I forget though.

Not sure if you've created the HTML before on your own, but the game will give you an option to create pages for the boxes and logs AND give you the option to not create new pages for old boxes/logs. You want to check both of those boxes. Then you'll want to upload everything BUT any images. The images that are created are crappy generic ones.

[roadrash]

what a sad season for the Heroes. it wasn't supposed to be like this. i guess cohesion really is the only thing that matters. very realistic. i mean, if that's the case then the Patriots have no business winning all these games the last 5 years, with all the new faces management has brought in.

i expected more out of the offense. i guess outside of WR Mullin and Collela, we maybe don't have much else going on. what's the point in having a top 5 QB and the best WR in the league if you can't even put up 17 points per game?

The patriots kept a good core of players, and swapped out certain positions that were more role oriented. The O-line has been pretty much together for the entire run, and the LB corp has been together for a long time. Cohesion is huge.

Your team is kinda like Washington, go out an buy as many mercs as they can, and just not play well enough as a team.

You assembled an amazing roster, if you could keep it together for 2-3 years so they can all learn to play together, you would dominiate. But the cap is not going to let you. The system is set up that way, preventing a team from building a monster foster and fielding said monster for an extended period of time.

If the Colts went out and picked up Moss and Owens last year, and those were Peyton's primary targets, how would they have done? One off the reasons that Manning and Harrison are so deadly, is because they have played together so long.

There is also problems with players switching systems. Some players can't adjust as quickly as others. that isn't directly covered in FOF, but is also a part of cohesion, I believe.

[roadrash]

Okay. That's assuming I forget though.

Not sure if you've created the HTML before on your own, but the game will give you an option to create pages for the boxes and logs AND give you the option to not create new pages for old boxes/logs. You want to check both of those boxes. Then you'll want to upload everything BUT any images. The images that are created are crappy generic ones.

Ok, that ain't so hard. . and I have ftp, so life should be good

[sovstar]

I also think the Heroes-Patriots comparison is a pretty bad one.

[roadrash]

I also think the Heroes-Patriots comparison is a pretty bad one.

agreed, maybe Washigton-Heroes, or Oakland, but without the QB trouble of the Raiders

[Hell Atlantic]

I also think the Heroes-Patriots comparison is a pretty bad one.

point being, the Pats really are basically Brady, Bruschi, Harrison. they have a 2nd tier of role players that were around a bit, but Dillon was only good for about 2 or 3 seasons - Larry Deason fits the role of Dillon: aging, onetime great power running back. when you think about it, the Pats have always plugged in 2nd tier type WRs into their system and Brady made it work. Pats have never had a top WR like the Heroes have in Mullin. CB Bruner is our version of Asante Samuels. Pats went and picked up some big defensive pieces (that LB they signed from the Ravens is one that immediately comes to mind) - Heroes picked up DE Joey Otey to line up opposite DE Gilpin and DT Lundquist to anchor our interior defense. LB Justin Callihan is our Bruschi and LB Weidner is our Junior Seau - old LB who can still make plays.

those are just some similarities. obviously the Pats have the rings to show for their dominance, but what i'm getting at is outside of Brady and maybe 5 or so guys - the Pats have retooled their roster every year and there aren't many guys remaining from even 3 years ago.

i think the Heroes can win. i agree i need 2 more seasons to increase our cohesion, get all 4 categories into the 80ish range. i like our trade where we moved WR Grady Gomez for 4 high end picks. i think the 4 guys we land, most likely to replenish our LB corps and our rapidly aging O-line, will be able to stick with the team for quite some time, and that will allow me to keep a larger core of the team intact.

but it's really a shame the Heroes are only 1-4. even taking lack of cohesion into account it still shouldn't be that bad. we have the talent to compete with the top teams in the league. perhaps i need to start tinkering around with the gameplan. if the team was gonna go 1-4 i could have accomplished that myself. i thought my (lack of) gameplanning was what was getting in they way of us getting over the hump to the next level.

[BuddaKINGII]

point being, the Pats really are basically Brady, Bruschi, Harrison. they have a 2nd tier of role players that were around a bit, but Dillon was only good for about 2 or 3 seasons - Larry Deason fits the role of Dillon: aging, onetime great power running back. when you think about it, the Pats have always plugged in 2nd tier type WRs into their system and Brady made it work. Pats have never had a top WR like the Heroes have in Mullin. CB Bruner is our version of Asante Samuels. Pats went and picked up some big defensive pieces (that LB they signed from the Ravens is one that immediately comes to mind) - Heroes picked up DE Joey Otey to line up opposite DE Gilpin and DT Lundquist to anchor our interior defense. LB Justin Callihan is our Bruschi and LB Weidner is our Junior Seau - old LB who can still make plays.

those are just some similarities. obviously the Pats have the rings to show for their dominance, but what i'm getting at is outside of Brady and maybe 5 or so guys - the Pats have retooled their roster every year and there aren't many guys remaining from even 3 years ago.

i think the Heroes can win. i agree i need 2 more seasons to increase our cohesion, get all 4 categories into the 80ish range. i like our trade where we moved WR Grady Gomez for 4 high end picks. i think the 4 guys we land, most likely to replenish our LB corps and our rapidly aging O-line, will be able to stick with the team for quite some time, and that will allow me to keep a larger core of the team intact.

but it's really a shame the Heroes are only 1-4. even taking lack of cohesion into account it still shouldn't be that bad. we have the talent to compete with the top teams in the league. perhaps i need to start tinkering around with the gameplan. if the team was gonna go 1-4 i could have accomplished that myself. i thought my (lack of) gameplanning was what was getting in they way of us getting over the hump to the next level.

hahahaha

[sovstar]

point being, the Pats really are basically Brady, Bruschi, Harrison. they have a 2nd tier of role players that were around a bit

See, that's where I disagree. A Pats fan (like Stevebsfan) could better elaborate, but I've always been under the impression that the Patriots would be a team with great cohesion. Maybe it would've dropped some the last couple of seasons, but compared to lots of other teams their returning core was always bigger.

[Argot]

I agree. And I think Washington is a good comparison. Dan Snyder wheeling and dealing for top rated talent and have nothing to show for it, but grumpy Redskin fans.

[roadrash]

See, that's where I disagree. A Pats fan (like Stevebsfan) could better elaborate, but I've always been under the impression that the Patriots would be a team with great cohesion. Maybe it would've dropped some the last couple of seasons, but compared to lots of other teams their returning core was always bigger.

During their 3 bowl wins they had very little turnover. . .it made the news because it was big name players that they were letting go rather than sign for zillions of dollars.

They also have two tremendous leaders in Brady and Bruchsi that make the transition into their system easier on anyone.

You also have to look at the game plan for comparisons. The patriots have made a science of it, you have just let it be.

I am not saying you'd be 5-0 if you did game plan, but you had two games that were close, you should have been able to pick them up if you had a solid O plan that attacked the other teams weaknesses.

And Deason? His first, and best year, was the inagural season in which he ran against the 3 worst Run defenses in the league twice each. That year, the AFC North had three of the top 5 running Os, not because they were good, but because collectivly, their run-Ds sucked. And the owner at the time ran him about 25 times a game. He was replaced after that first year! About halfway through the season, people started stacking the goalline in front of him and he fell off.

[JesterBlaze]

There is no Patriots/Heroes comparison.

There is a huge Redskins/Heroes comparison.

Cohesion is PART of the puzzle. Gameplanning is PART of the puzzle. Everything must be learned in a competitive league. A 5% advantage is huge in a tight competition. <- I say this due to remembering something on the lines of certain things "only" making a 10-15% difference.

Bring on dem Mountaineers!!! :twisted:

[JesterBlaze]

See, that's where I disagree. A Pats fan (like Stevebsfan) could better elaborate, but I've always been under the impression that the Patriots would be a team with great cohesion. Maybe it would've dropped some the last couple of seasons, but compared to lots of other teams their returning core was always bigger.

You would be correct.

One thing not mentioned is that cohesion doesn't build equally (or at all) in the NFL. A team like the Pats might get solid cohesion with a player the 1st season since he's coming into a situation already "cohesed" (word?) and they're gonna stop any garbage right away. A team like Cincy is just gonna have another problem player to add to the list that they already can't maintain control of.