Week 4 Discussion

[sovstar]

think Bess coming back soon will help with the possesion type plays..

44-rated Bess?

[dberner30]

Wichita shot themselves in the foot that game. Badly-timed penalties, costly turnovers, and settling for field goals. All those things overshadowed the gunslinging of Winston Scott.

that game was absolute bull crap...just like the last 3 have been...be honest...you got worked by WIC...FOF just screwed us blind...

i know you have been around a long time so how about an explanation of why the game punked me so badly...the nail in the punking coffin was my last possession where frankly i had the ball at midfield after a great kick return and with just at two minutes left the coach goes run, run, run to include a 0 yd game at 3rd and 2. then the damn game punts instead of going for it and you block it...if this isnt FOF predetermining an outcome and trying to overcome itself i dont know what is...i get sick of losing this way...i would rather be blown out and not give a crap at this point...someone explain how my good discipline and excellent motivation coach sucks so badly

3 losses by a combined 4 damn points...garbage...

this is horribly frustrating.

[Kobeck]

Mules lost a close one in Houston. Still unsure why Murfreesboro lost matched up with the Renegades well enough. Never mind 4 FGAs to 1 TD is the reason the Mules lost.

still none of the FGs were under 20 yards or anything so I guess Murfreesboro put up about as many as could be expected. One FD away from a huge road win. Guess thats the way I gotta look at it.

I honestly thought Murfreesboro had this one when Booker went down, but then again Mules lost big to the Cardinals last season when McMurray was knocked out of the game and Sanders came in to light Murfreesboro up. Renegades had the majority of the big plays and of course made a big play late.

[Matt]

Wichita shot themselves in the foot that game. Badly-timed penalties, costly turnovers, and settling for field goals. All those things overshadowed the gunslinging of Winston Scott.

that game was absolute bull crap...just like the last 3 have been...be honest...you got worked by WIC...FOF just screwed us blind...

i know you have been around a long time so how about an explanation of why the game punked me so badly...the nail in the punking coffin was my last possession where frankly i had the ball at midfield after a great kick return and with just at two minutes left the coach goes run, run, run to include a 0 yd game at 3rd and 2. then the damn game punts instead of going for it and you block it...if this isnt FOF predetermining an outcome and trying to overcome itself i dont know what is...i get sick of losing this way...i would rather be blown out and not give a crap at this point...someone explain how my good discipline and excellent motivation coach sucks so badly

3 losses by a combined 4 damn points...garbage...

this is horribly frustrating.

been there on so many occasions. I feel for you, not that it helps

[Warhammer]

Wichita shot themselves in the foot that game. Badly-timed penalties, costly turnovers, and settling for field goals. All those things overshadowed the gunslinging of Winston Scott.

that game was absolute bull crap...just like the last 3 have been...be honest...you got worked by WIC...FOF just screwed us blind...

i know you have been around a long time so how about an explanation of why the game punked me so badly...the nail in the punking coffin was my last possession where frankly i had the ball at midfield after a great kick return and with just at two minutes left the coach goes run, run, run to include a 0 yd game at 3rd and 2. then the damn game punts instead of going for it and you block it...if this isnt FOF predetermining an outcome and trying to overcome itself i dont know what is...i get sick of losing this way...i would rather be blown out and not give a crap at this point...someone explain how my good discipline and excellent motivation coach sucks so badly

3 losses by a combined 4 damn points...garbage...

this is horribly frustrating.

In that situation, you have to ask yourself, would you be complaining if you went for it and botched the attempt?

My guess, is that you have your 4th and late defense too conservative. It's the only thing I can think of, because I have the same problem. It's happened to me 4 times in the last 20 games, where I have had a 14+ point lead in the 3rd or 4th quarter evaporate and we lose the game.

[sovstar]

?????

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Score: Portland 24, Wichita 23.
POR 4 Dorris kicked off 56 yards from the POR30.
WIC 80 Markel returned the ball 43 yards to the POR43. Tackled by POR 47 Glenn.

Possession to Wichita.

1-10-POR43 (04:32) WIC 40 Rau ran inside the right tackle for 5 yards.
Tackled by POR 52 Segura.
Key block delivered by WIC 73 Ressler.

2-05-POR38 (03:47) WIC 40 Rau ran inside the left guard for 4 yards.
Tackled by POR 91 Davis, assisted by POR 51 Bodnar.

3-01-POR34 (03:24) WIC 40 Rau ran inside the right guard for 2 yards.
Tackled by POR 52 Segura.
Key block delivered by WIC 4 Molnar.
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1-10-POR32 (02:57) WIC 40 Rau ran around left end for 3 yards.
Tackled by POR 58 Munoz, assisted by POR 74 Blake.

2-07-POR29 (02:27) WIC 40 Rau ran inside the right guard for 0 yards.
Tackled by POR 54 Stickney.

3-07-POR29 (02:06) WIC 15 Scott pass was dropped by 80 Markel.
Penalty: WIC - Unsportsmanlike Conduct.
Offical time out for the two-minute warning.

4-22-POR44 (02:00) WIC 13 Blades punted and it was blocked by POR 24 Carlisle.
POR 24 Carlisle recovered the ball at the WIC40.

Possession to Portland.

[sovstar]

You punted on 4th and 22 with three timeouts left. What's wrong with that?

[sovstar]

BTW db, did you want any cheese with that... ?

[dberner30]

You punted on 4th and 22 with three timeouts left. What's wrong with that?

doh...i was thinking about the stupid run, run, run, playcalling.....and the penalty stunk.

I guess im looking for some thoughts about why my penalties stink it up and why my playcalls stink...im gonna look at 4Q offense and see if there is something there....being down by 1 and running 5 straight times to set up 3rd and 7.

[sovstar]

being down by 1 and running 5 straight times to set up 3rd and 7.

Okay, that's really picky. You didn't like getting a first down out of those first three runs? 1st down and 10 on my 32 with 2:57 w/ 3 timeouts (and a FG would win the game). What do you want to see in this situation?

[Hell Atlantic]

being down by 1 and running 5 straight times to set up 3rd and 7.

Okay, that's really picky. You didn't like getting a first down out of those first three runs? 1st down and 10 on my 32 with 2:57 w/ 3 timeouts (and a FG would win the game). What do you want to see in this situation?

why are you such a Solecismic apologist? if this game was by Markus you'd be shitting all over it. the game leaves a lot to be desired, and frankly i wish we weren't switching to 2007 cuz i don't agree with 80% of how Jim designs his games. people simply explain away a lot of the game's shortcomings and with him being tightlipped about much of FOF's inner workings you just don't know if something is broken or if it's "his intention". i've seen a lot other game designers be more accountable and straightforward with their game. i just don't feel like supporting Solecismic anymore, i don't think i'm in his target market. i need something else out of my text sim games and a different approach from the companies i buy games from. i'm the one with the money - i buy games on my terms, i don't feel like having to buy things on someone else's terms. anyway, i'm in IFL for the long haul so i'll grudgingly buy 2007 when we switch. i wish there was a vote or something instead of being forced to buy it. i bet there's a lot of people who haven't bough 2k7 yet and wouldn't if they didn't need to.

[sovstar]

Call me an apologist if you want. I haven't seen anyone make an argument worth reading to this point. Seriously.

[Argot]

I rather like 2007. I just won the WAFL bowl .

And just wait until the fumble/INT ratio goes up if you think people are complaining now. But after more studies, noticed that 2007 more closely mirrors real life in regard to turnovers.

[Hell Atlantic]

Call me an apologist if you want. I haven't seen anyone make an argument worth reading to this point. Seriously.

i'm not even talking about that, actually. hey, comeback code or not - the best team on the field doesn't always win the game. if that were the case in real life there'd be no need to have half the league play cuz in any given year only a handful of teams ever actually have a realistic shot at winning. comeback code or not i do see how it's necessary to kinda inject the randomness of Team A losing to Team B when on paper Team A had the better team. there'd be no need to play this game if the best team always won and there'd be a ton of blowouts without that comeback code.

i'm talking about some of the features of FOF that are looking to be more and more cosmetic than anything. just how much does chemistry really affect your team. yeah, one needs only to look at the Heroes for that answer, but seriously - is it enough to make a great team simply good. if you're a team rated "8" on a scale of 1-10 (10 being the score for a dominant team), does bad chemistry make your team perform like a "6" rated team. just what exactly is the penalty for bad chemistry. can good chemistry overcome a team with mediocre players? who knows.

the thing is, everything is blurred. you don't know where one feature stops and the next begins. what does that mean? how do i know what the reason my team (not my IFL teram, i'm talking about a team in general) isn't doing well. is it because i don't have enough good players? and if that's not the reason is it because i don't have good overall team chemistry? and if it's not that, is it because my coach isn't good enough? if so, which part about him is the reason? if he's bad on offense, then am i wasting money on my excellent rated offensive coordinator? if that isn't the reason, is it because my team hasn't played long enough and my cohesion is too low. if that's the case then why am i spending so much money on my team if all my good players will be negated simply because they haven't played long enough with each other? would Peyton Manning play like Ryan Leaf just cuz he moved to a different team (ok, he probably wouldn't pass for 49 TDs right off the bat, but he isn't gonna play like Eli Manning).

so the thing is, with Jim being so hush hush on things i don't know how much one area effects the other. and with him being so hush hush i don't know if i'm the reason the team is doing bad or if something isn't working properly. maybe team chemistry has *too* much of an effect on the team. again, Peyton Manning is still a top 5 QB even if you put him on another team, he makes people around him better - regardless of how long he's played with them. maybe coaches don't have enough of an influence on a team - maybe the game doesn't reflect the ability of a Parcells or Schottenheimer to come into a program and quickly make them respectable.

we don't know. we assume. and a lot of time the finger points somewhere other than Jim. i don't like that.

[SteveBsFan]

Mules lost a close one in Houston. Still unsure why Murfreesboro lost matched up with the Renegades well enough. Never mind 4 FGAs to 1 TD is the reason the Mules lost.

still none of the FGs were under 20 yards or anything so I guess Murfreesboro put up about as many as could be expected. One FD away from a huge road win. Guess thats the way I gotta look at it.

I honestly thought Murfreesboro had this one when Booker went down, but then again Mules lost big to the Cardinals last season when McMurray was knocked out of the game and Sanders came in to light Murfreesboro up. Renegades had the majority of the big plays and of course made a big play late.

I felt good about my gameplan even when Booker went down, so while bothered, I didn't think the game was completely lost. I did start getting nervous toward the end of the game however, but thought I had the game sealed the 2nd to last drive until Timm lost 2 yards on 2nd and two. Luckily my defense played great, got the ball back and allowed me to try again.

Regardless, it was a great game and you have a fantastic team, Kobeck. I was getting scared when looking over your roster knowing that it's still in development, especially the defense. It's still a long season though