Well spank my ass and call me charlie

[sovstar]

He gets ornery when the sun comes up.

scoreboard

[sovstar]

Nice!

[Suicane]

My findings.

Game 1: 15 Seconds left in the half, they run and go into the locker room when 8-11 yards would get them in FG position.

4-14-NJY11 (2Q: 00:43) Ben Graham punted 44 yards. Joey Galloway called for a fair catch at the TBY45.

1-10-TBY45 (2Q: 00:32) Tim Rattay pass completed to RB Michael Pittman for 6 yards. Tackled by CB David Barrett. The receiver ran his route right over the middle of the field.
(2Q: 00:32) Tampa Bay called a time out.

2-4-NJY49 (2Q: 00:23) Michael Pittman ran around right end for 8 yards. Tackled by DE Shaun Ellis, assisted by S Rashad Washington. Key block delivered by Edward Orr.
(2Q: 00:23) Tampa Bay called a time out.

1-10-NJY41 (2Q: 00:15) Carnell Williams ran inside the left guard for 3 yards. Tackled by S Erik Coleman.
Start of third quarter.


Game 2: 41 Seconds left, on the Eagles 14, 3 runs and a FG attempt, they dont even go for the endzone.

4-3-PHI45 (2Q: 00:49) Dave Zastudil punted 33 yards. Jeremy Bloom returned the kick 2 yards to the PHI14. Tackled by D'Qwell Jackson.Ball was fumbled and recovered by CLE William Green for 0 yards to the PHI14.

1-10-PHI14 (2Q: 00:41) Reuben Droughns ran inside the right tackle for 1 yard. Tackled by DT Darwin Walker.
Cleveland called a time out.

2-9-PHI13 (2Q: 00:34) William Green ran inside the right guard for -2 yards. Tackled by S Sean Considine, assisted by DE Juqua Thomas.
Cleveland called a time out.

3-11-PHI15 (2Q: 00:23) Phil Dawson attempted a 32 yard field goal and missed wide to the left.

1-10-PHI22 (2Q: 00:15) Donovan McNabb dropped to one knee for -2 yards.


Game 3: At the SD 40 with 19 seconds left, they dont even try to pass or go for a FG.

1-10-SDO40 (2Q: 00:19) Vernand Morency ran outside the right tackle for 4 yards. Tackled by CB Drayton Florence.
Green Bay called a time out.

2-6-SDO36 (2Q: 00:0Cool Ahman Green ran inside the right tackle for 2 yards. Tackled by DT Jamal Williams, assisted by ILB Randall Godfrey. CB J.B. Knight knocked down Chad Clifton to break up the play.

Start of third quarter.


Game 4: Here the Offense (Cininatti) is not in FG position, but does a good job at trying to get there.

(2Q: 01:24) John Hall kicked off 74 yards from the WAS30. Deltha O'Neal returned the ball 28 yards to the CIN24. Tackled by Ladell Betts.

1-10-CIN24 (2Q: 01:19) Carson Palmer pass fell incomplete, intended for WR T.J. Houshmandzadeh. S Adam Archuleta defended the pass. The quarterback threw into double coverage.

2-10-CIN24 (2Q: 01:12) Carson Palmer pass completed to WR Kelley Washington for 11 yards. Tackled by S Sean Taylor.

1-10-CIN35 (2Q: 00:50) PENALTY: Cincinnati was called for a False Start.

1-15-CIN30 (2Q: 00:50) Carson Palmer pass completed to WR T.J. Houshmandzadeh for 5 yards. Tackled by OLB Marcus Washington.

2-10-CIN35 (2Q: 00:31) Carson Palmer pass completed to WR T.J. Houshmandzadeh for 15 yards. Tackled by S Adam Archuleta, assisted by OLB Marcus Washington. The receiver ran his route right over the middle of the field.

Washington called a time out. [EDITORS NOTE: WHY?]

1-10-CIN50 (2Q: 00:20) Anthony Wright pass completed to WR Chris Henry for 24 yards. Tackled by CB Carlos Rogers. The receiver ran his route right over the middle of the field. The quarterback threw away from the double coverage. Cincinnati Antonio Chatman was hurt on the play.

1-10-WAS26 (2Q: 00:04) Shayne Graham attempted a 43 yard field goal and succeeded. Washington 17, Cincinnati 10


Game 5: Here we see Dalls use a big pass to get into FG range, but once there, with 34 seconds left, from the 17 yard line, they run twice and call time outs, and then kick the FG.

1-10-DAL44 (2Q: 00:41) Derrick Porter pass completed to TE Jason Witten for 34 yards. Tackled by S Bryan Scott. Witten gained 14 yards after the catch. The quarterback threw away from the double coverage.

Dallas called a time out.

1-10-NOS22 (2Q: 00:34) PENALTY: New Orleans was called for Encroachment.

1-5-NOS17 (2Q: 00:34) Julius Jones ran around the left tackle for 0 yards. Tackled by CB Fred Thomas, assisted by DT Hollis Thomas. The defense looked extremely familiar with that play.

Dallas called a time out.

2-5-NOS17 (2Q: 00:25) PENALTY: New Orleans was called for Encroachment.

1-10-NOS12 (2Q: 00:25) Julius Jones ran inside the left tackle for 2 yards. Tackled by ILB Alfred Fincher, assisted by S Bryan Scott.

Dallas called a time out.

2-8-NOS10 (2Q: 00:18) Mike Vanderjagt attempted a 27 yard field goal and succeeded. New Orleans 21, Dallas 6
(2Q: 00:12) Mike Vanderjagt kicked off 67 yards from the DAL30. Reggie Bush returned the ball 18 yards to the NOS21. Tackled by Sam Hurd.

Game 6: Another situation where they dont throw a single pass despite having and using 2 timeouts.

1-10-DET24 (2Q: 00:23) Reuben Droughns ran inside the left tackle for 11 yards. Tackled by CB Fernando Bryant, assisted by S Idrees Bashir. Key block delivered by Shaun Darnell.

(2Q: 00:23) Cleveland called a time out.

1-10-DET13 (2Q: 00:16) Jerome Harrison ran inside the left tackle for 2 yards. Tackled by DE Jared DeVries.

(2Q: 00:16) Cleveland called a time out.

2-8-DET11 (2Q: 00:04) Phil Dawson attempted a 28 yard field goal and succeeded. Detroit 10, Cleveland 6
Start of third quarter.



Game 7: They pass to get into the red zone, and with 52 seconds left do nothing but run and call timeout.

1-10-STL34 (2Q: 01:11) Sage Rosenfels pass completed to WR Eric Moulds for 14 yards. Tackled by OLB Brandon Chillar, assisted by CB Travis Fisher. The receiver ran his route right over the middle of the field.

1-10-STL20 (2Q: 00:52) Sam Gado ran around the left tackle for 7 yards. Tackled by OLB Jon Alston, assisted by S Jerome Carter. Key block delivered by Eric Winston.

Houston called a time out.

2-3-STL13 (2Q: 00:41) Sam Gado ran inside the right guard for 0 yards. Tackled by DT Jimmy Kennedy, assisted by DE Tony Hargrove.

Houston called a time out.

3-3-STL13 (2Q: 00:33) Domanick Davis ran around the left tackle for 0 yards. Tackled by S Corey Chavous.

Houston called a time out.

4-3-STL13 (2Q: 00:23) Kris Brown attempted a 30 yard field goal and missed wide to the right.

1-10-STL20 (2Q: 00:18) Gus Frerotte dropped to one knee for -1 yards.

Start of third quarter.


Game 8: Once more, they pass until they get into the red zone and then do nothing but run and call timeout. Pattern?

2-13-KCY39 (2Q: 01:24) Damon Huard pass completed to WR Jeff Webb for 28 yards. Tackled by CB R.W. McQuarters. The receiver ran his route right over the middle of the field.

1-10-NYK33 (2Q: 01:02) Damon Huard pass completed to TE Tony Gonzalez for 13 yards. Tackled by OLB LaVar Arrington. The receiver ran his route right over the middle of the field.

1-10-NYK20 (2Q: 00:44) Larry Johnson ran inside the left guard for 4 yards. Tackled by S Jason Bell.

Kansas City called a time out.

2-6-NYK16 (2Q: 00:33) Larry Johnson ran inside the left guard for 1 yard. Tackled by S Will Demps.

Kansas City called a time out.

3-5-NYK15 (2Q: 00:23) Michael Bennett ran inside the left guard for -3 yards. Tackled by OLB LaVar Arrington, assisted by DT Marco Willis. The defense looked very familiar with that play.

Kansas City called a time out.

4-8-NYK18 (2Q: 00:16) Lawrence Tynes attempted a 35 yard field goal and succeeded. New York 10, Kansas City 6


Game 9: One of the more egregious situations. tons of time, short way to go, and...run, run, run, timeout, timeout.

4-5-MIA29 (2Q: 03:04) Donnie Jones punted 48 yards. Joey Galloway returned the kick 7 yards to the TBY30. Tackled by Travis Minor.Ball was fumbled and recovered by MIA Darian Barnes for 0 yards to the TBY30.

1-10-TBY30 (2Q: 02:54) Joey Harrington pass completed to RB Lee Suggs for 8 yards. Tackled by S Kalvin Pearson.

2-2-TBY22 (2Q: 02:22) Ronnie Brown ran around left end for 3 yards. Tackled by CB Torrie Cox, assisted by ILB Shelton Quarles. Key block delivered by Johnny Brightbill.

Official time out for the two-minute warning.

1-10-TBY19 (2Q: 02:00) Ronnie Brown ran inside the left tackle for 2 yards. Tackled by S Kalvin Pearson, assisted by ILB Shelton Quarles.

2-8-TBY17 (2Q: 01:32) Lee Suggs ran around right end for 7 yards. Tackled by S Will Allen.

3-1-TBY10 (2Q: 01:15) Travis Minor ran inside the left guard for 1 yard. Tackled by DT Ellis Wyms, assisted by DE Simeon Rice. Key block delivered by Joe Berger.

1-9-TBY09 (2Q: 00:55) Ronnie Brown ran inside the left tackle for -2 yards. Tackled by OLB Ryan Nece, assisted by DT Tony Polidixon. PENALTY: Miami was called for an Illegal Shift. The penalty was declined.

2-11-TBY11 (2Q: 00:55) Lee Suggs ran a counterplay inside the left tackle for 0 yards. Tackled by ILB Shelton Quarles. OLB Ryan Nece knocked down L.J. Shelton to break up the play.

Miami called a time out.

3-11-TBY11 (2Q: 00:48) Travis Minor ran around left end for 2 yards. Tackled by ILB Shelton Quarles, assisted by DE Simeon Rice. ILB Shelton Quarles knocked down Anthony Alabi to break up the play.

Miami called a time out.

4-9-TBY09 (2Q: 00:37) Olindo Mare attempted a 26 yard field goal and succeeded. Miami 10, Tampa Bay 3


Game 10: But look here. Philly is willing to throw to get into FG territory. What do you think would of happened if they had completed, oh, say an 18 yard pass?

1-10-BAL38 (2Q: 01:46) Jeff Garcia pass was dropped by TE L.J. Smith.

2-10-BAL38 (2Q: 01:39) Brian Westbrook ran around the left tackle for 3 yards. Tackled by DT Haloti Ngata.

3-7-BAL35 (2Q: 01:20) Jeff Garcia pass fell incomplete, intended for WR Hank Baskett. S Ed Reed knocked the ball out of his grasp.

4-7-BAL35 (2Q: 01:11) David Akers attempted a 52 yard field goal and succeeded. Philadelphia 13, Baltimore 3
(2Q: 01:05) David Akers kicked off 79 yards from the PHI30. Touchback.



Im gonna stop here, but I think it's pretty evident that the logic isn't all that much better, just going off these early results. Just as in last version, once a team gets in range, they pretty much settle for the FG.

[Suicane]

Dola, thats all from the 1st full week of Pre Season, every game where a team was in position to score at the end of the half.

[Suicane]

i wish he'd make it more customizable, chile.


i don't know about all these gameplanning options - it's really tedious for me to do it. i know that's a big part of running a team, but i want to be a GM, not a fucking coach.



one thing i wish he'd do is this:

you hire a coach. you hit recommend and the gameplanning fields populate according to how that coach wants the team to play. if he sucks, like you put together a power running team and your team is dead last in rushing and you pass a lot obviously he's not a good fit for your team so you'd fire him. next coach you hire, you hit recommend and the gameplan changes. you get the point. right now coaches are just good for developing your players. you don't really see the effect the coaches have on the end result. at least with my way it'd be more about "this is the type of team i assembled - here, coach, have at it".

I'd love for the coach to actually gameplan based on his characteristics. I'm in agreement with you in hoping that that was tinkered with too.

[MrBigglesworth]

Without getting too far under the hood, I'm pretty underwhelmed.

[Suicane]

Heres my general impression so far. Alot more stuff to do, Alot more ways to read and output what gets done. But does it all correlate? Does the middle part take what you want and actually do it before it spits out all those nice stats? I dunno, but im leery.

[Warhammer]

I see all those game situations and notice one thing. They're all in the 2nd quarter. I can't tell you how many times I see coaches in the NFL do the exact same thing. From the 9, you can make a case to go for it a few times, no argument there.

The other issue is you gotta know what their FG setting is at. In game 3, you're talking about a 53 yard FG. If they are not set to attempt one, they're not going to try it.

The big advantage to this version, as I see it:

More coverages with more info about them. Now you can run a Tampa Cover-2. Some coverages are better against the run, and others are better against the pass.

You can control who plays where in what situation. You're running a nickel? Now you can have that pass coverage LB come into play MLB, etc. Same with the DBs.

The depth chart is accesible from the roster.

You can control on the game plan whether you want a short pass or long pass (% wise). IE, you're in a second and short situation, you have 25% run, 15% short pass (screen - 10 yards), 60% long (10+) with all the different range bands as a sub category of pass. So, 50% of those short passes could be the 5-8 variety, etc.

You can set who is on your special teams, or whether or not they are supposed to be on special teams.

Veteran's contracts

You can see what playing a guy out of position is going to be ratings-wise.

Game preview gives stats for the teams on that screen, 1st in passing offense, 5th against the pass, etc.

There are definitely some improvements. I think a lot of people were expecting some other stuff to be there and are frustrated that it isn't, and letting that color their judgement.

[sovstar]

LOL

You had Detox post all that stuff. That's gold, Jerry. Gold!

[sovstar]

You can see what playing a guy out of position is going to be ratings-wise.

:?:

The height/weight stuff is new, but I don't think you can see the actual ratings until you make the actual change. And I imagine that MP position changing will be the same in that you won't see your changes until you export and the commish imports and exports back.

[Suicane]

I understand that it's the 2nd quarter, but find me 1 instance out of those 10 games where a team passed inside the 20 yard line?

Im willing to be that if I do search after search I will find VERY few instances where a team even tries to throw the ball.

It tells me the logic is switching the passing game off at some point, for everyone.

[Warhammer]

You can see what playing a guy out of position is going to be ratings-wise.

:?:

The height/weight stuff is new, but I don't think you can see the actual ratings until you make the actual change. And I imagine that MP position changing will be the same in that you won't see your changes until you export and the commish imports and exports back.

Not that, go to the player card and right click on the bars. It shows what the guy's experience is at each position. So your LDEs are all injured and you want to know which RDE is going to play better at LDE, etc.

[sovstar]

You can see what playing a guy out of position is going to be ratings-wise.

:?:

The height/weight stuff is new, but I don't think you can see the actual ratings until you make the actual change. And I imagine that MP position changing will be the same in that you won't see your changes until you export and the commish imports and exports back.

Not that, go to the player card and right click on the bars. It shows what the guy's experience is at each position. So your LDEs are all injured and you want to know which RDE is going to play better at LDE, etc.

That's really just a graphical representation of the same dialog box we get in FOF 2004 is it not?

[BuddaKINGII]

You can control who plays where in what situation. You're running a nickel? Now you can have that pass coverage LB come into play MLB, etc. Same with the DBs.

This is what I always wanted. I'd hope for a under 2 minute gameplan but I guess that wasnt in the works. I'd get aggressive as hell unlike the current coaches.

[Warhammer]

You can see what playing a guy out of position is going to be ratings-wise.

:?:

The height/weight stuff is new, but I don't think you can see the actual ratings until you make the actual change. And I imagine that MP position changing will be the same in that you won't see your changes until you export and the commish imports and exports back.

Not that, go to the player card and right click on the bars. It shows what the guy's experience is at each position. So your LDEs are all injured and you want to know which RDE is going to play better at LDE, etc.

That's really just a graphical representation of the same dialog box we get in FOF 2004 is it not?

I don't think so. I could be wrong about that though. Still, it makes it nice to see all the positions at once rather than click, check, click, check, for multiple positions.

Plus, the ability to have a player put on weight is huge.