2019 Late FA Stage 2 & 3 Done

[SteveBsFan]

Sorry, I planned on cutting a bunch before camp. Due to the unrealistic way FOF does FA negotiations, and the compressed period in second FA, the only way to guarantee a larger camp is to make a ton of offers.

It's not like you can target 3-4 rookie RB's and invite them to camp, get a call back the next day with rejections then invite another 3.

I'd rather a new type of system where we post our intentions for unsigned rookies on the forum, each team allowed x amount, and we're allowed to sign them at the minimum rate (ties for players go to the teams with the worse records). At least for the top like 10 guys per position since it would be a nightmare trying to track the entire undrafted pool.

This way you not only know what players you're getting on the next stage, we also don't see ridiculous bidding wars over rookie FA's who are likely to bust anyway (I've been a part of those bidding wars).

There is a reason you don't see undrafted players getting signed to $9m+ contracts days after the draft in the NFL, and I'd like to see us do something about it here. As someone who loves getting undrafted players, I'd be all aboard a new system that fixes FOF's flaws.

Of course we can keep things as is, but it does suck for teams looking to find a diamond in the rough. Especially when we know there are teams with 40-50 million in cap space who can easily offer $2 million one-year contracts to the top 20 undrafted FA's and not blink an eye.

They can do stuff like that, then sign them to much cheaper contracts the next year. I seen two WR's with a combined rating of 79 sign for a combined cap hit of $13.2m this off-season with the intention of re-signing for cheaper next year. While there is little that can be done about that with UFA's, right now the undrafted pool is the wild west in terms of contracts.

Anyway, I will be cutting a lot of players, but don't start ripping on me because I'm trying to find quality rookies and can only do that by throwing a shitload of offers against the wall and seeing which ones stick after an export or two.

[Kobeck]

I will. You effectively locked the other 31 guys out of getting any of them into camp.

If the Warthogs are sitting at 64 and I offer a couple of Draftees contracts that puts me potentially at 66. No way I offer more than 5-6 RFA any contracts at all because of the 70 limit. I realize you can't know for sure if you will get every contract, but the Renegades made butt loads of 1y 750k 0 bonus contract offers and you had too have know you would probably blow past 70 - well past 70.

Now you get to cherry pick from all the 20+ additional signings you made before TC.

Constitution getting clarified is about all that can be done at this point.

And as far as the wild west aspect of RFA I agree, but it is a good thing. Most of the better teams do not have 50m CAP laying around, so the teams with the CAP should be able to throw that weight around on the RFAs if that is their choice.

just my opinion your mileage may vary.

[SteveBsFan]

Almost every defensive player I targeted, I offered 450k with 0 bonus, fully expecting the teams with $30-$40m in cap space to outbid that, especially the 45+ rated guys. For offensive players, I did $750k because of the same reason, I figured there would be more bids.

The only teams I 'locked out' of the rookies were those who locked themselves out by having $320k cap room with 46 slots filled.

Anyway, I cut my team down to 70 and can submit it right now if Suicane wants to run an export so people can have at the guys I cut from the team.

protip: they won't want them.

[Mike17]

Not sure what the big deal is... If you wanna have 40 extra crap players on your team, who cares? It's not like you can smoosh them together into a couple mega players. They're (for the most part, 95%) gonna crash in camp, get cut, and no one's team will be better or worse because of it.

[Kobeck]

you are probably right 99% of the time, but its that other 1% of the time that people try and sign these guys.


And as Steve pointed out above, hes had a close up look at them without even losing CAP because of the nature of the vast majority of the offers.

[SteveBsFan]

I don't understand the close up look at them part. I see nothing different now than I did when I signed them.

[Suicane]

Dudes, it's all good, just make sure your under 70 after tomorrows sim, that's all i'm asking.

[Kobeck]

team chemistry is totally revealed, although I guess there are tools that would allow that if I remember correctly, you can view them in your roster attributes area and you can attempt to change position with them just off the top of my head.

[SteveBsFan]

A few things before I'm done with this topic.

1. This rule was pretty much called the Kobeck rule, so I'm a little disappointed to hear you railing on it the most.

2. Chemistry is revealed before yousign them as well. Names are written in green or blue depending on how they'd get along with your leaders.

3. If those little things are worth it, you could have just offered more and had them. People are acting like I had a special export to myself.

In the first export, out of the 17 guys I got, I only competed with other people for 3 of them, winning with offers of just $750k. 12 of those 17 were offers of $450k, which were easily beatable even by cash strapped teams. Nobody wanted them, including you.

In the second export - when people had a chance to out-bid me - I only changed bids on like 2 guys, and those were the guys I really wanted. I backed off a lot of my offers as well because I filled up the positions needed in the first export.

Then stage 3 was done with 2, so I couldn't withdraw any more offers before the large chunk of my guys were signed.

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I honestly had no clue I was going to sign that many guys, I figured because of my extremely low offers to about half of them, and relatively low offers (compared to what I've seen in the past, $750k is low), I was estimating losing 4 out of every 5 bids... especially after the first export when my bids were revealed.

[Kobeck]

1 - I would love too bring 80+ into camp, that is why it is called the Kobeck rule - lol

2 - Yes you know if you have a conflict or affinity, but only by getting the guy on the team do you know too what degree. Again seems there is a tool that does that IIRC

3 - Would have been a more valid point prior too the last patch. Now the CAP is much more of a factor, but I do agree with you that I could have offered more.

RFA2 FB Sedrick 20/54 signed one of your boiler plate 1y $750k 0 bonus offers ahead of my 2y $1120k $220k bonus. I think the Warthog offer is far superior and the IFL should investigate the Renegades for tampering - lol

RFA2 FB Freuler 15/44 signed another boiler plate 1/750/0 offer ahead of Fresno's 2/910/50. Again I thought the bonus $s was supposed too mean something.

RFA3 CB Arreola 14/39 signed a boiler plate 1/450/0 ahead of Fresno's 2/910/30. Tampering again - lol

RFA3 RB Burns 30/44 signed a boiler plate 1/750/0 which was superior to Warthog boilerplate 1/380/0 unchanged offer from RFA1. I wanted Burns too compete with Vidal and Prior in case they both flammed out in TC - but I really did not want him very much.

RFA2 lost out on LB Pile, CB Spring and S London to superior bonus offers so that was as expected.

Really the only signing that concerns me is FB Sedrick. I think Fresno had the clearly superior offer. Well Superior to Houston. I really don't know the guts of the other offers.




FWIW I totally understand crossing the 70 line by a guy or two because of the nature of the way the stages are ran. But right now the guys you choose too dump WILL be available prior to TC, but nobody else will get a chance to change positions or weight control any of the 26 of them - just sayin'

[DakotaGeorge]

Almost every defensive player I targeted, I offered 450k with 0 bonus, fully expecting the teams with $30-$40m in cap space to outbid that, especially the 45+ rated guys. For offensive players, I did $750k because of the same reason, I figured there would be more bids.

The only teams I 'locked out' of the rookies were those who locked themselves out by having $320k cap room with 46 slots filled.

Anyway, I cut my team down to 70 and can submit it right now if Suicane wants to run an export so people can have at the guys I cut from the team.

protip: they won't want them.

You Fd up. admit it and fix it.

[SteveBsFan]

I agree I have no idea why some chose us over other teams. Bonus money should take priority, which is why I only offered bonus money to like 3-4 guys, all with larger contracts.

As far as training, If people are signed through tonight's export, they should be able to still be able to do the weight training and position change prior to TC.

[SteveBsFan]

You Fd up. admit it and fix it.

Just worry about your own roster, k?

[DakotaGeorge]

Just worry about your own roster, k?

I wouldnt have chimed in if you werent running your pie hole about my roster in the first place. K? LOL 94 players? REALLY?

[Kobeck]

there can be no offers on them tonight as they are under contract.

Or was there another stage ran with the cuts?