I want to open a discussion on this.

[DakotaGeorge]

I think we need to SERIOUSLY consider a rule change in this league.

The economy is so fkd in this league that it is like baseball its like blank checks everywhere. How fair is it someone can give a 48 48 RB 17 mil over 2 years just to get the guy and then he can reneg the deal later. There is no realisim or fairness in this. I think over the next few years we need to turn down how much the cap goes up so the economy of this league can catch up. why should you have 60 guys under contract and be 28 mil under the cap (will probably be me this year.) It does not make sense. Its so scewed I could trade a mega star take a 17 mil cap hit cause of his bonuses and still feel absolutely no effects from it.

I think this needs to be looked at needs to be debated and a serious conversation/investigation done into this.


My plan would be to turn down the cap increase say over the next 5 seasons and let the economy of the league catch up or no cap incrase at all for the next 5 seasons. We really need to look into it this shouldn't be like a baseball league where you can be the New York Yankees in free agency and just bid 17 mil for 2 years for an average RB just to make sure you clinch his signing. There is a cap in football for a reason and I suggest we keep one aswell and with this current structure it is like our leagues sal cap is non existant.

[tarcone]

We have to wait until the present TV contract runs out.
I mentioned in the chat room that freezing the cap for a couple seasons would help.
I agree that we need to investigate the cap situation.

[JesterBlaze]

Increasing injuries will also help as more deals become dead cap.

I agree with reducing or eliminating the cap increase but the current situation is also a result of long term lack of aggressiveness by some teams. Phantoms are up against the cap every season. At the end of the season there's no reason to have more than $1M in cap space for most teams.

[Kozure]

I think we need to SERIOUSLY consider a rule change in this league.

The economy is so fkd in this league that it is like baseball its like blank checks everywhere. How fair is it someone can give a 48 48 RB 17 mil over 2 years just to get the guy and then he can reneg the deal later. There is no realisim or fairness in this. I think over the next few years we need to turn down how much the cap goes up so the economy of this league can catch up. why should you have 60 guys under contract and be 28 mil under the cap (will probably be me this year.) It does not make sense. Its so scewed I could trade a mega star take a 17 mil cap hit cause of his bonuses and still feel absolutely no effects from it.

I think this needs to be looked at needs to be debated and a serious conversation/investigation done into this.


My plan would be to turn down the cap increase say over the next 5 seasons and let the economy of the league catch up or no cap incrase at all for the next 5 seasons. We really need to look into it this shouldn't be like a baseball league where you can be the New York Yankees in free agency and just bid 17 mil for 2 years for an average RB just to make sure you clinch his signing. There is a cap in football for a reason and I suggest we keep one aswell and with this current structure it is like our leagues sal cap is non existant.

turning off cap increases or even slowing it down may not work. I believe players salary increases in directly linked to how the cap is currently increases from year to year. So if you turn off cap increases player contracts will stop going up.

[DakotaGeorge]

Let's not speculate. Let's investigate and get facts and work off them. This needs a fix.

[SteveBsFan]

I agree it needs a fix, some way or another.

I really don't buy the aggressive thing either I just don't think it's possible to maintain levels near the NFL or even the first few seasons of this league. This is the projected cap figures in the NFL, I believe before franchise players even signed their contracts..

http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/numbers.asp

There were only 9 teams who were below $30m in cap space. Well into FA, we currently have 16 teams over that mark with 7 over $40m. There is just nothing to spend the money on even if every team was extremely aggressive.

There are only 9 players earning more than $10m this year, and 18 earning more than $8m (which two of those guys probably not even worth that amount, but suicane is single handedly trying to fix the market ) In the NFL, there were 12 QB's with a cap hit of $8+ (plus 5 WR, 4 OL, 7 DL, 2 LB, 7 CB, 1 S)

http://content.usatoday.com/sports/f...n.aspx?pos=140

2k7 really killed the talent in the league, yet the salary cap is still shooting up higher and higher, yet salaries are getting cheaper and cheaper. Is there a fix? I hope so

[JesterBlaze]

How fair is it someone can give a 48 48 RB 17 mil over 2 years just to get the guy and then he can reneg the deal later.

How is it not fair? Which team(s) in the IFL have an advantage because of it?

why should you have 60 guys under contract and be 28 mil under the cap (will probably be me this year.) It does not make sense. Its so scewed I could trade a mega star take a 17 mil cap hit cause of his bonuses and still feel absolutely no effects from it.

I think this needs to be looked at needs to be debated and a serious conversation/investigation done into this.

You've just walked into a bad team. If it's like this in 3 seasons then I'll be asking you why you have 60 guys only talented enough to take so little.

There is a cap in football for a reason and I suggest we keep one aswell and with this current structure it is like our leagues sal cap is non existant.

FWIW - The cap in football is an agreement between the owners and the player's association in large part so that the players on small market team's will get paid the same as large market teams. It's not a decision to arbitrarily reduce player salaries. As long as every team operates under the same cap and actually has the income to spend up to that cap then the cap works.

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For all this talk of FA contracts being ridiculous and whatnot I ask this: If at the end of the season the team still has cap room then what's the reasoning for thinking the FA contract was high?

If I had a boatload of cap money then I'd be offering $5M contracts to 35-45 rated roll players. Take a look at the contract that I'm offering a 3rd string QB just in case my starter and back-up get injured before the post-season. All my calculations left me with about $6M in projected extra cap space so I'm trying to spend $5M using the $1M for safety rule.

The cap goes up so that the less talented rosters can buy their way back into contention. If they don't choose to spend the money then salary requests have no new precedents to be set against. As a result the spread of FA's is balanced instead of imbalanced and the league is imbalanced instead of balanced.

[JesterBlaze]

There is just nothing to spend the money on even if every team was extremely aggressive.

Then why do the top 100 free agents turn down multiple offers in the end?

[JesterBlaze]

When the 55 rated player signs a $20M contract who's crazy? The team paying the $20M with a player or the 7 teams with no player and $20M+ in their fake bank account?

[DakotaGeorge]

This Free Agency market and League Economy is a Joke until we come up with a resolution and a fix no matter how much jester wants to defend it.

[DakotaGeorge]

I have only been here one Free Agency sure. But I heard from other owners its always like this. This as in There is almost Never ever any big name Free Agents on the market which you know might be realistic. Instead all the teams have a GAGILLION Dollars in cap space to resign their players and make them more then happy with huge contracts with huge bonuses because the leagues economy and finacial system is so fkd up. Thats why you see absolutely no big name free agents. Yeah Jester you might use up a good portion of your cap and you do it by GROSSLY over paying your players so they never venture to the Free Agent Market.

[JesterBlaze]

Yeah Jester you might use up a good portion of your cap and you do it by GROSSLY over paying your players so they never venture to the Free Agent Market.

There's your problem, [removed insult]. I paid my players just the right amount to win a Championship. Instead of constantly comparing the IFL to NFL I simply use the available cap space. Do you watch college or high school football and get mad that it's a different game than the NFL? Where do you get this arbitrary value system that such and such $$$ is overpaying?

[JesterBlaze]

This whole argument is akin to two people getting huge raises and one getting mad at inflation while the other eats steak dinners.

[DakotaGeorge]

First of all dont call me a moron I don't attack you personally. Second of all JUST THE RIGHT AMOUNT TO WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP. Yeah you over paid them grossly because the way the league is set up messed up the financials ALOT. I mean try playing the single player game and see if you can set the cap 2-8 mil like the game defaults and tell me if you can sign a running back 2 years 17 mil and still squeeze under the cap all the time. fact is not only does this ruin the quality of free agents we see in the market every year no big ones whatsoever but it also allows people to Grossly over pay the few decent ones we do see and then reneg the contract down so they dont ever have to honor as much as they once offered. You know I seen a free agent on the market tonight he is asking for 700,000 someone is offering 3 years 15 mil. I mean if you dont think this is unrealistic and just WOW then hey I pitty you. I do gurantee you you will be one of the few hand ful who agree with the current system and dont want change. The Majority can understand that the current system is really flawed and needs to be discussed.

[Kobeck]

I agree with George the IFL CAP needs restricting. It has just went up too fast. I don't know how too fix it though so it is what it is.