Hell Atlantic's Last Season

[sovstar]

Anyone that thinks I'm a great FOF mind is totally mistaken. All I know is that the easiest way to win in FOF is to get a great quarterback and a good receiver or two. I can't remember the last time I felt like I had a clue as to what I was doing when it came to the defensive side of the ball.

Anyways, I'm done with the game completely at this point. It just hasn't evolved like I wanted it to. Playing the last couple versions of Football Manager (soccer game for those that don't know) just leaves me thinking how bland FOF really is.

The next patch for this game is either FOF 2010 or a roster update/minor patch if TCY 2 gets released instead. Other than that, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for one.

[JMO]

the problem for me was two games ago. i was noticing a trend of QBs throwing long bombs against me and completing them. i tried to increase my blitzing to up the pressure on the QB, i would only double team the oppositions top receiver so i didn't commit 4 DBs to 2 guys all the time. i then made the decision that even though Sante was having a career year - if everyone else's QB was making these completions for huge gains i might as well try to take advantange of what could possibly be a bug (Jester and i have been complaining that QBs are supermen now due to the latest patch). LA comes out and makes all these huge completions against us. ii'm talking 20 yarders, bam bam bam. so what does Sante do on his first attempt against LA? attempts a big pass for an interception. i was like "this is enough". .

No offense but this could easily happen in real life. Maybe your secondary sucks and sucks even more in single coverage, and you couldn't get there on the blitz.

Looking at the game, yes your dbs do suck sans one good rookie safety and your lbs suck at pass rushing. Color me surprised if you give up the long bombs.

[CyYoung]

Personnaly, I like FOF 2007. I'm not sure how everything works yet but I'm having fun trying to figure it out.

It's very frustrating at times but it's rewarding when you find a way to win or make a good draft pick.

I would never comeback to 2004. If the IFL comeback to 2004, I would leave even if I like this league.

[Hell Atlantic]

No offense but this could easily happen in real life. Maybe your secondary sucks and sucks even more in single coverage, and you couldn't get there on the blitz.

Looking at the game, yes your dbs do suck sans one good rookie safety and your lbs suck at pass rushing. Color me surprised if you give up the long bombs.

which is cool, i don't have a prob with the Heroes not having a good defensive backfield that other teams pick on. that's what a real team would do against a secondary like mine. but i should be able to do the same thing then. i have more good receivers than teams have DBs to cover them with, and my TE ain't too shabby either. i should be dominating on offense. i should be giving up 31 points and scoring 35 every game. and it's not like i don't know what my weakness is on D - i've been decreasing the amount of nickle/dime packages cuz i rather have my better LB in than an even weaker backup DB. its not like i don't double team the oppositions best receiver. increased the amount of blitzes to generate more pressure on the QB. these are the things you do to mask a weak secondary. Arizona Cardinals don't have a good secondary or even a good D period but they still won a playoff game. nothing i do works.

i can totally reconsider. i didn't do this for attention or to have my cock rubbed, i've just thrown my hands up in defeat. i know when i've been beat at a game. but it seems like there's more people here in the same boat who just don't have a clue. my whole point was my enjoyment of IFL isn't based on the game - if anything the frustration i get from watching Solevision is a deterrent to my fun here. my enjoyment here is due to the people and the laid back atmosphere. i just don't have what it takes to bring a team that's never been to the playoffs to the postseason. i will now admit i don't have that ability. maybe a ready-made playoff caliber team, but not the Heroes. i'll let this season play out and see how i feel. it's nice to know you're wanted, and it's even nicer to know you're not the only clueless person here.

[JMO]

i should be dominating on offense. i should be giving up 31 points and scoring 35 every game.

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It's not as simple as this in real life, it shouldn't be as simple as this in the game.

i've been decreasing the amount of nickle/dime packages cuz i rather have my better LB in than an even weaker backup DB. its not like i don't double team the oppositions best receiver. increased the amount of blitzes to generate more pressure on the QB. these are the things you do to mask a weak secondary.

If your players are not good at blitzing then what is the point. You don't decrease nickel packages to mask a bad secondary.

Arizona Cardinals don't have a good secondary or even a good D period but they still won a playoff game. nothing i do works

They play in the NFC west and played against a rookie QB and a team that drastically over performed this year. Also, cherry picking examples like this is pointless. They also don't play in the league where it is the norm for most teams to have an excellent QB.

just don't have what it takes to bring a team that's never been to the playoffs to the postseason

You picked a guard with a top ten pick. That is way more of a problem than any gameplanning problems you have.

[Hell Atlantic]

If your players are not good at blitzing then what is the point. You don't decrease nickel packages to mask a bad secondary.

you're wrong, please don't ever become a defensive coordinator.


the solution to masking a bad secondary - that is, a secondary that doesn't have much talent - is not to add in more defensive backs. you don't put in a 4th CB when that 4th CB is worse than one of your 4-3 LB's. just like you don't play the 3-4 if you don't have 4 good LBs, you don't go into dime/nickle situations all the time if you don't have good enough DBs to put on the field. i don't know FOF gameplanning, but let's not mistake that for not knowing the game of football.

[Hell Atlantic]

You picked a guard with a top ten pick. That is way more of a problem than any gameplanning problems you have.

when you got holes all over your team, every pick becomes BPA. i rather take the best player at his position, which my guard was in the draft, than take a guy from a more sexy position who's like 5th or 6th best in his position group.

[kingfc22]

I'm right there with you HA. I've been in control of Boston for god knows how long and I haven't even had a winning record.

I've been able to assemble all sorts of talent, IMO, but nothing I do seems to equate once we get on the field.

I thought this would be the year my offense finally does something with the addition of McDaniel at RB, but we have only gotten worse by a large margin.

I have no clue what I need to do to make this thing work.

[Hell Atlantic]

yeah, you've been controlling Boston longer than i've been controlling the Heroes. you would think the cyclical nature of sports - the good teams eventually get old and slip to the bottom and the cellar dwellars aquire good rookies to eventually become a playoff caliber team - would apply here. i guess maybe it's realistic afterall, i mean how long did it take the Arizona Cardinals to go to their first playoff game in decades? the Lions don't look like they'll be going to the playoffs anytime soon. i don't know, you'd think at some point by the year 2013 every team would have gone to the playoffs at least once. since that's not the case it means some people know what's going on and others have no clue. there's gotta be more to it then just sitting and waiting for the good teams to become awful. i rex my defensive gameplan for the most part, the only thing i tweak is double coverage. maybe i gotta take a more hands-on approach to this. i doubt that's the case, i'd think since i don't have a clue what needs to be done the rex would be better off.

sorry if i'm coming off as a faggy drama queen here. it's good to vent, i'll tell you that much.

[r00k]

loved the discussion ... and HA, I'm glad to see that you are reconsidering on staying. You provide the color commentary in the league that always gets a reaction or two.

My take is that neither 2k4 or 2k7 is a perfect football simulation. However, I still think both are the best out there and I think that 2k7 is superior to 2k4 for a lot of reasons. And Jeff, it would be nice if there was a football game that had the complexity of Football Manager, the soccer game.

We also got to remember that we played multiple years of 2k4 with TCY drafts. When we converted to 2k7, we changed to "game driven" draft classes.To me, that was maybe as much of a change to the IFL as the conversion to 2k7 itself because the draft classes were so differently structured. I remember Skydog commenting on how our league had so much more talent than other leagues and he attributed that to our TCY drafts.

That being said, all this seems to get better with a good or as you suggest ...

i didn't do this for attention or to have my cock rubbed,

[Chris Rex]

Stay... you stay... is alright... you stay.

[tarcone]

I enjoy the game. I have tons of fun playing. HA, this is by far my most favorite league. Good GMs, good teams, great history. And always a new champion.
In some of my other leagues there is one guy who is champion in like 4 leagues right now and multiple champion in several of them. Too me that is less fun then this league. We basically know what we know and thats it. I know nothing shady is gong on and thats one reason I will stay.
Plus, Tulsa is on the edge of greatness.

[JMO]

you're wrong, please don't ever become a defensive coordinator.


the solution to masking a bad secondary - that is, a secondary that doesn't have much talent - is not to add in more defensive backs. you don't put in a 4th CB when that 4th CB is worse than one of your 4-3 LB's. just like you don't play the 3-4 if you don't have 4 good LBs, you don't go into dime/nickle situations all the time if you don't have good enough DBs to put on the field. i don't know FOF gameplanning, but let's not mistake that for not knowing the game of football.

Wait..my opponent just goes 4 wide and I don't put in another cb. I leave in my lb who i then ask to cover a wr or blitz, which he can't do? yes u do indeed know the game of football.

what about 5 wide? still stay in the base package? you sir are a regular bill parcells..remember when the pats had all those secondary injuries, you should have called belichek up..just leave in more lbs, those 250 lb guys will get her done.

[JMO]

when you got holes all over your team, every pick becomes BPA. i rather take the best player at his position, which my guard was in the draft, than take a guy from a more sexy position who's like 5th or 6th best in his position group.

5th or 6th best in his position group in the draft would be impossible if you pick top ten.

BPA applies to premium positions, which is why we don't see full backs go routiney in the first round or guards in the top ten. You strive for realism in game...have a look at the amount of guards picked top ten in the last ten nfl drafts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ootball_drafts

The only guys playing guard now who were drafted that high, were tackles who busted. Basically you picked a guy with the upside of Robert Gallery now. A guy regarded as a failure, that is what you drafted knowing what he is. Next year go BPA and draft a FB, you hack.

[JesterBlaze]

Next year go BPA and draft a FB, you hack.

This is the type of emotion we'll lose if HA goes. This is what we can't get out of SP.