It Was Inevitable (Renegotiation Issues)

[sovstar]

and lets expand this same concept to rookies and 1 yr deals since that traps then into RFA status with the team which gets exclusive rights. this is another borderline shady tactic used to pick up good young players on 1 yr deals that arent as good as the 2 and 3 yr deals being offered.

Are you referring to rookies in the post-draft free agency?

You'll see that I'm looking at shoring up the short-deal/high bonus deals in the other thread.

[sovstar]

I dont like it much because identifying a guy you want to lock up long-term early on is a viable GM approach.

It is a totally legit approach, but one that FOF currently can't handle. If a new patch came and fixed the issue, we would definitely revisit and rule that had been implemented.

[tarcone]

The renegotiations are built around performance, correct?
I see the examples you put up there. Sanford played in 10 games I think. But Look at my LG who also renegotiated. He played all 16 games, and wanted a pay increase.

I guess I dont like the rule. I would prefer to manually lower the cap then put restrictions on who I can and cannot sign.

[sovstar]

Renegotiations should be based on performance, but the game sure as hell isn't doing a good job of that. We can't manually lower the cap. Our TV contract puts us at a 6 million cap increase for at least 4 or 5 years. Besides that, everything I've read points out that playing with the cap will have little effect on the bottom line of the issue.

[Hell Atlantic]

i'm thinking so far outside the box here i know this will get shut down but i'm about to put it out there nonetheless cuz i'm really really excited about this idea:

what if i were to give up my team and become an "agent" for the players? and by that i mean you send me the offers and i would negotiate on behalf of the players. even if you wanted to renogotiate a deal, you would have to PM me with the offer and i would counter or accept. if i felt the player was undervalued or came off a good year i would want to contact the GM about getting a new deal. for teams who trade for guys in the last year of their contract, using ratings like "loyalty" and "play for winner" i would determine if the player is definitely going to test free agency or would be willing to sign a new deal with their new team.

i think this would be the best way to make sure the FA pool gets more quality players and to make sure teams start opening up their purses. i'm open to doing this because it'd be just as fun for me, and i'm starting to understand i will never win a MP championship due to so much being out of my hands. don't get me wrong, i love my team and i think about it a lot, but i've played FOF MP for many years now and have only one playoff visit total to show for all that time. so i'm open to doing something new and groundbreaking. i really think this would be cool and would completely, without a doubt, eradicate any AI issues.

plus, it'd be more fun dealing with a human agent than an imaginary agent.

jeff to shoot down the idea in 3....2....1.....

[sovstar]

What did you do for lunch???

[Hell Atlantic]

i'm telling you, it would work and it'd be fun for everyone.

[Kobeck]

Lots of other X-Mules lost to FA currently starring in the IFL. So extending players pre-contract end season is no guarantee of keeping them long term.

Hmmm, X-Mules starring in the IFL? Like who?

uh-hummmm!...

DT John Ash with Houston/Lansng and Reno
TE Bock having a career year with Cleveland as a midseason pickup
RB Duffy rushed for 1500 yards as an X-Mule
FL Rath wan a ring with Vermont in 2010
TE Rich continues to excel as a Stallion now
FL Nowell had 1500 yards recieving as a Seal
SE Davis continues to impress with the Phantoms
FL Dixon having a career year with the hated VooDoo
TE Spraggins was a Mule CAP casualty also with the hated VooDoo
FL Little continues to hang onto his career in Reno
FS Rodrigues started 3 seasons in SLC before retiering
K Wholters put up 111 points as a Seal
K Perry kicked for Portland and Lawrence
P Nixon is doing well for Montreal
LB Gallup with Oakland
SS Dockery also with the hated VooDoo
LB Dutra
LB Parson with Cardinals and Power
DE Jean with St. Louis
DT Andrews with Iowa City
DE Frewisick
DT Powers played 5 years with Vermont
DE Ulysses WIlliams and his green bars in pass rushing
LT Azzolini has started 65 IFL games as an X-Mule
TE Kleman has turned out as I hoped when I picked him up
and of course the infamous Manuel Willoughby and his 6 pick game is still waiting for his phone to ring in 2011

[dberner30]

Are you referring to rookies in the post-draft free agency?

You'll see that I'm looking at shoring up the short-deal/high bonus deals in the other thread.

yup. with the shortage of talent in real FA pool the LFA pool shows the same 1 yr deal behavior on the rookies. they are then tied into RFA status and can be negotiated cheaper for the remaining 3 yrs of RFA. so in essence, you overpay year 1 and then underpay yrs 2+ because they are exclusive rights players.

[dberner30]

The renegotiations are built around performance, correct?
I see the examples you put up there. Sanford played in 10 games I think. But Look at my LG who also renegotiated. He played all 16 games, and wanted a pay increase.

I guess I dont like the rule. I would prefer to manually lower the cap then put restrictions on who I can and cannot sign.

this will get snuffed out....it would work but only if the cap lowering was outside of the game because the game lowers demands with a lower cap...

so to make it work you would have to use a rule that is monitored and enforced by a commish..in essence the rule would be every team needed 10M in cap remaining or else you violate the cap and have players cut etc....the response so far has been this is too hard for owners to figure out and to much work for a commish to manage...i personally like it the best because it leaves the game untouched and allows the full range of GM options to the owners.

[Kobeck]

Agan I will follow any rules implemented of course.

But I rebuilt Murfreesboro from the bottom up without using FA for other than role players or injury replacements. Of course being as bad as the Mules were a lot of marginal guys got a lot of snaps and some of them developed and moved on.

depending on how the rules work out seems like I would be forced to abandon the build thru the draft and reward my own guys approach and have to run the Mules as if the current season was the only season that mattered. Not sure if I like that approch.

Sure Peterson "HAD" a cheap contract heading into this season, but with the CAP-Out I used on him he is right at top 5 pay with 6.5m and next year is looking at 7.3m which currently would put him in the top 5. Not exactly cheap anymore. Just using Opie as an example here.

[tarcone]

this will get snuffed out....it would work but only if the cap lowering was outside of the game because the game lowers demands with a lower cap...

so to make it work you would have to use a rule that is monitored and enforced by a commish..in essence the rule would be every team needed 10M in cap remaining or else you violate the cap and have players cut etc....the response so far has been this is too hard for owners to figure out and to much work for a commish to manage...i personally like it the best because it leaves the game untouched and allows the full range of GM options to the owners.

Yep this is what I meant by lowering the cap.

I like HAs idea. That would be pretty fun.

[Argot]

Would HA take into consideration the agents preferences, like stubborn negotiator or whimp of an agent too? Actually...its sounds a bit cool. But if you thought the hate mail for HA was bad before I can't imagine what it would start to look like...and could get....personal.... : )

[Matt]

to get really freaky, we could use the players ratings in 'play for winner' and 'loyalty'. Play for winner. Essentially a player would be willing to renegotiate if he had a loyalty rating of over 80, or if your team totalled 11 wins and the player had a rating over 80 in 'play for winner'.

[sovstar]

uh-hummmm!...

DT John Ash with Houston/Lansng and Reno
TE Bock having a career year with Cleveland as a midseason pickup
RB Duffy rushed for 1500 yards as an X-Mule
FL Rath wan a ring with Vermont in 2010
TE Rich continues to excel as a Stallion now
FL Nowell had 1500 yards recieving as a Seal
SE Davis continues to impress with the Phantoms
FL Dixon having a career year with the hated VooDoo
TE Spraggins was a Mule CAP casualty also with the hated VooDoo
FL Little continues to hang onto his career in Reno
FS Rodrigues started 3 seasons in SLC before retiering
K Wholters put up 111 points as a Seal
K Perry kicked for Portland and Lawrence
P Nixon is doing well for Montreal
LB Gallup with Oakland
SS Dockery also with the hated VooDoo
LB Dutra
LB Parson with Cardinals and Power
DE Jean with St. Louis
DT Andrews with Iowa City
DE Frewisick
DT Powers played 5 years with Vermont
DE Ulysses WIlliams and his green bars in pass rushing
LT Azzolini has started 65 IFL games as an X-Mule
TE Kleman has turned out as I hoped when I picked him up
and of course the infamous Manuel Willoughby and his 6 pick game is still waiting for his phone to ring in 2011

Your definition of "starring" seems to differ from mine. You also tossed in a few players that you traded away. You telling me you traded Gallup and Rich because of cap problems?