Owners' Awards Ballot

[Hell Atlantic]

matt: i get your point, but the easy and convenient way is to just pick from the candidates posted. i don't think many are gonna research on their own. i'm getting pissed at these slights against the Heroes. Mullin doesn't have 6 td's. he has 7 total td's (6 receiving + 1 fumble recovery td). i appreciate the time he put into it, but i really think we need a Owners Award Committe to provide us with the candidates and not one guy's opinion on who the candidates should be. no way should Gaston be on there and not Colella.

[Hell Atlantic]

Oh for the love of Pete HA. You can pimp and vote for whoever the hell you want. You need to relax a little bit, perhaps go on a camping trip or some such.

i probably know you more than the guys i'd be going on that camping trip, that's the funny thing. i'd sooner camp with you than those schmoes. woo ha.

[MrBigglesworth]

Williams had 55% more targets and 105% more catches, 144% more yards, 241% more YAC yards, and 150% more TDs.

Colella had 29% more attempts, 22% more completions, 25% more yards, 47% more TD, and 25% more interceptions.

From those numbers it is obvious that Williams did a lot more with his extra chances than Colella. Colella actually had a lower completion percentage and lower yards per attempt than last year, and despite a better TD/INT ratio ended up with a lower QB Rating.

I know you are a big fan of Colella, but at the end of the day he is just a QB with the 21st best QB rating last year.

[Suicane]

We dont need a commitee to determine ballots. Jeff does a good job and adds to it if people bring up a worthy guy. It's redonkulous to make a brewhaha for ballots when ANYONE can be voted for. Relax. And i'd be affraid to go camping with you, you might bring a banjo or some such oddity.

[MrBigglesworth]

One big up to Colella though: he is the most durable QB in the league. He is the career leader in games played at QB with 108 out of a possible 112.

[George W Bush]

I like committees

[Hell Atlantic]

Williams had 55% more targets and 105% more catches, 144% more yards, 241% more YAC yards, and 150% more TDs.

Colella had 29% more attempts, 22% more completions, 25% more yards, 47% more TD, and 25% more interceptions.

From those numbers it is obvious that Williams did a lot more with his extra chances than Colella. Colella actually had a lower completion percentage and lower yards per attempt than last year, and despite a better TD/INT ratio ended up with a lower QB Rating.

I know you are a big fan of Colella, but at the end of the day he is just a QB with the 21st best QB rating last year.

again, you're talking about someone who was forcefed the ball. Gaston Williams wouldn't have got all those numbers if he wasn't targeted more than 100+ times, which is like more than he's got in any 2 seasons combined. you're numbers would go up too. that's not breaking out. breaking out is having a RB who got 300 carries each of the previous 4 years and averaged 3.5 ypc and 6 td's. then in year 5 he gets another 300 carries and his ypc ballooned up to 4.6 and he amassed 12 td's. that's breaking out.

you actually prove my point more. Gaston needed to have twice as many targeted passes to get those numbers. Colella needed only 22% more pass attempts. Colella has attempted 500+ passes 3 times before, so he's had the opportunity to put up great numbers but he hasn't. but this year, on my team, he broke out and made the most of his opportunity.

if Colella isn't gonna be on that list than Gaston shouldn't be. of course Gaston is on the list of candidates cuz he plays on Jeff's team.

[Hell Atlantic]

We dont need a commitee to determine ballots. Jeff does a good job and adds to it if people bring up a worthy guy. It's redonkulous to make a brewhaha for ballots when ANYONE can be voted for. Relax. And i'd be affraid to go camping with you, you might bring a banjo or some such oddity.

i got to get my props
cops
coming trying to snatch my crops

[MrBigglesworth]

Williams had 55% more targets and 105% more catches, 144% more yards, 241% more YAC yards, and 150% more TDs.

Colella had 29% more attempts, 22% more completions, 25% more yards, 47% more TD, and 25% more interceptions.

From those numbers it is obvious that Williams did a lot more with his extra chances than Colella. Colella actually had a lower completion percentage and lower yards per attempt than last year, and despite a better TD/INT ratio ended up with a lower QB Rating.

I know you are a big fan of Colella, but at the end of the day he is just a QB with the 21st best QB rating last year.

again, you're talking about someone who was forcefed the ball. Gaston Williams wouldn't have got all those numbers if he wasn't targeted more than 100+ times, which is like more than he's got in any 2 seasons combined. you're numbers would go up too. that's not breaking out. breaking out is having a RB who got 300 carries each of the previous 4 years and averaged 3.5 ypc and 6 td's. then in year 5 he gets another 300 carries and his ypc ballooned up to 4.6 and he amassed 12 td's. that's breaking out.

you actually prove my point more. Gaston needed to have twice as many targeted passes to get those numbers. Colella needed only 22% more pass attempts. Colella has attempted 500+ passes 3 times before, so he's had the opportunity to put up great numbers but he hasn't. but this year, on my team, he broke out and made the most of his opportunity.

if Colella isn't gonna be on that list than Gaston shouldn't be. of course Gaston is on the list of candidates cuz he plays on Jeff's team.

I don't think you are getting it. Gaston had 55% more chances (not close to double) and MORE THAN double yards, touchdowns. Colella had about 25% more chances and 25% more yards and 25% more completions. Given your example of a RB with 300 carries each of the previous 4 years and averaged 3.5 ypc, Colella would be the RB that then got 400 carries and 3.5 ypc. Gaston would be the RB that got 400 carries and 5.1 ypc. Gaston's production increased much higher than his chances did, while Colella's production stayed even with his chances.

[Hell Atlantic]

Williams had 55% more targets and 105% more catches, 144% more yards, 241% more YAC yards, and 150% more TDs.

Colella had 29% more attempts, 22% more completions, 25% more yards, 47% more TD, and 25% more interceptions.

From those numbers it is obvious that Williams did a lot more with his extra chances than Colella. Colella actually had a lower completion percentage and lower yards per attempt than last year, and despite a better TD/INT ratio ended up with a lower QB Rating.

I know you are a big fan of Colella, but at the end of the day he is just a QB with the 21st best QB rating last year.

again, you're talking about someone who was forcefed the ball. Gaston Williams wouldn't have got all those numbers if he wasn't targeted more than 100+ times, which is like more than he's got in any 2 seasons combined. you're numbers would go up too. that's not breaking out. breaking out is having a RB who got 300 carries each of the previous 4 years and averaged 3.5 ypc and 6 td's. then in year 5 he gets another 300 carries and his ypc ballooned up to 4.6 and he amassed 12 td's. that's breaking out.

you actually prove my point more. Gaston needed to have twice as many targeted passes to get those numbers. Colella needed only 22% more pass attempts. Colella has attempted 500+ passes 3 times before, so he's had the opportunity to put up great numbers but he hasn't. but this year, on my team, he broke out and made the most of his opportunity.

if Colella isn't gonna be on that list than Gaston shouldn't be. of course Gaston is on the list of candidates cuz he plays on Jeff's team.

I don't think you are getting it. Gaston had 55% more chances (not close to double) and MORE THAN double yards, touchdowns. Colella had about 25% more chances and 25% more yards and 25% more completions. Given your example of a RB with 300 carries each of the previous 4 years and averaged 3.5 ypc, Colella would be the RB that then got 400 carries and 3.5 ypc. Gaston would be the RB that got 400 carries and 5.1 ypc. Gaston's production increased much higher than his chances did, while Colella's production stayed even with his chances.

what are you talking about? do you realize how many QB's passed for 4K+ yards AND threw 25 td's? seriously. that's not a large group there. you're grapsing at straws here for Gaston, trying to debate why he belongs. it took a year when he was thrown the ball more times than he ever has and on a team where he was the only one to throw to to put up those numbers. you tell me which Colella you'd rather have on your team - the one from this year who got 4K+ yards and 25 td's and had all those completions or the one who averaged his numbers from all those years before. if you want the pre-Hero Colella then this discussion is over.

[Suicane]

lol, you've pimped him. which is the purpose of this thread. So all is right with the world.

[Warhammer]

Williams had 55% more targets and 105% more catches, 144% more yards, 241% more YAC yards, and 150% more TDs.

Colella had 29% more attempts, 22% more completions, 25% more yards, 47% more TD, and 25% more interceptions.

From those numbers it is obvious that Williams did a lot more with his extra chances than Colella. Colella actually had a lower completion percentage and lower yards per attempt than last year, and despite a better TD/INT ratio ended up with a lower QB Rating.

I know you are a big fan of Colella, but at the end of the day he is just a QB with the 21st best QB rating last year.

again, you're talking about someone who was forcefed the ball. Gaston Williams wouldn't have got all those numbers if he wasn't targeted more than 100+ times, which is like more than he's got in any 2 seasons combined. you're numbers would go up too. that's not breaking out. breaking out is having a RB who got 300 carries each of the previous 4 years and averaged 3.5 ypc and 6 td's. then in year 5 he gets another 300 carries and his ypc ballooned up to 4.6 and he amassed 12 td's. that's breaking out.

you actually prove my point more. Gaston needed to have twice as many targeted passes to get those numbers. Colella needed only 22% more pass attempts. Colella has attempted 500+ passes 3 times before, so he's had the opportunity to put up great numbers but he hasn't. but this year, on my team, he broke out and made the most of his opportunity.

if Colella isn't gonna be on that list than Gaston shouldn't be. of course Gaston is on the list of candidates cuz he plays on Jeff's team.

I don't think you are getting it. Gaston had 55% more chances (not close to double) and MORE THAN double yards, touchdowns. Colella had about 25% more chances and 25% more yards and 25% more completions. Given your example of a RB with 300 carries each of the previous 4 years and averaged 3.5 ypc, Colella would be the RB that then got 400 carries and 3.5 ypc. Gaston would be the RB that got 400 carries and 5.1 ypc. Gaston's production increased much higher than his chances did, while Colella's production stayed even with his chances.

what are you talking about? do you realize how many QB's passed for 4K+ yards AND threw 25 td's? seriously. that's not a large group there. you're grapsing at straws here for Gaston, trying to debate why he belongs. it took a year when he was thrown the ball more times than he ever has and on a team where he was the only one to throw to to put up those numbers. you tell me which Colella you'd rather have on your team - the one from this year who got 4K+ yards and 25 td's and had all those completions or the one who averaged his numbers from all those years before. if you want the pre-Hero Colella then this discussion is over.

I'd choose QB Jim Hickman of the Hartford Grizzlies over any version of Colella. Discussion over.

[MrBigglesworth]

what are you talking about? do you realize how many QB's passed for 4K+ yards AND threw 25 td's? seriously. that's not a large group there.

4 QB's have those numbers, 13% of the league, and three of the four missed the playoffs. Part of the reason is because when you are behind, you throw the ball more. Colella has those yardage numbers because he was throwing fifty times a game during the Heroes losing streak.

you're grapsing at straws here for Gaston, trying to debate why he belongs. it took a year when he was thrown the ball more times than he ever has and on a team where he was the only one to throw to to put up those numbers.

Colella went from a pretty good QB on a non-playoff team to a pretty good QB on a non-playoff team. Gaston went from a quasi-starter on one of the worst teams in the league to setting the YAC season record and coming in second in receiving yards. Maybe I'm taking crazy pills, but Gaston seems more like he fits the bill for a breakout player than Colella.

you tell me which Colella you'd rather have on your team - the one from this year who got 4K+ yards and 25 td's and had all those completions or the one who averaged his numbers from all those years before. if you want the pre-Hero Colella then this discussion is over.

Are we talking c. 2006 Colella or 2008 Colella? Because 2008 and 2009 Colella are the same QB. You just can't give a breakout award to a QB with a lower QB rating than the year before. That defies the definition of the word 'breakout'.

[MrBigglesworth]

Just to throw out a potential break-out guy of my own, [ifl]Douglas Phifer[/ifl] was so bad for me last season that I dumped him from my starting lineup in the middle of the season. He had 1 PD and 32 passes caught. This season I gave him another chance after a strong preseason, and he started every game until I rested him week 16 and ended up with 12 PD compared with 23 passes caught. His PD% is 14th in the league among the 128 or so starting corners and safeties. The 12 PD were twice as many as he has had before in a season.

[JesterBlaze]

Colella went DOWN in:

Completion %
Avg yards per attempt
Passer rating

Those are some fundamental QB stats right there.


I've looked at Colella's stats over and over and over again and can't come up with anything better than:

Colella went from a pretty good QB on a non-playoff team to a pretty good QB on a non-playoff team. Gaston went from a quasi-starter on one of the worst teams in the league to setting the YAC season record and coming in second in receiving yards. Maybe I'm taking crazy pills, but Gaston seems more like he fits the bill for a breakout player than Colella.

At this point I recommend putting Colella on the ballot. Not because I think he deserves to be there but because HA feels so strong about it and it's just another line of text. If he wins some of us will be proven wrong. If he doesn't then the winner will never have to hear "ya but... Colella".