2nd/3rd Round Draft Discussion, 2008

[MrBigglesworth]

Treu is +3 in potential so far though, so he might turn out to be good.

You know that's just scout adjustment, right?

You're the expert, chief.

[sovstar]

Treu is +3 in potential so far though, so he might turn out to be good.

You know that's just scout adjustment, right?

You're the expert, chief.

Are you suggesting it's not scout adjustment?

[sovstar]

I don't see it being any different than when you trade for a guy and he drops/gains a few points.

[Suicane]

CATFIGHT!

[Suicane]

But for real, arn't you always seeing things thru your own scouts eyes? Or am I missing something?

[sovstar]

But for real, arn't you always seeing things thru your own scouts eyes? Or am I missing something?

Yes, but they'll make adjustments when they actually "join" your team. You should definitely notice this when you trade for players. It's even in the help file somewhere.

[MrBigglesworth]

I don't see it being any different than when you trade for a guy and he drops/gains a few points.

That's your perception. I have Excel sheets that tell a different story.

If you drop your haughty attitude I may show it to you... 8)

[SteveBsFan]

But for real, arn't you always seeing things thru your own scouts eyes? Or am I missing something?

Yes, but they'll make adjustments when they actually "join" your team. You should definitely notice this when you trade for players. It's even in the help file somewhere.

Booker dropped a few points when he came to my team. I think it has to do with your scout rating him on another team based just on what he sees, but actually getting a better feel for him while he's on your own team and watching him much more. (obviously it's not fully realistic when ratings drop before a first practice, but oh well)

[MrBigglesworth]

I have had the same scout every year. This is data for each one of my IFL draft picks:

1 is their potential rating during the draft
2 is their potential rating after the draft when they are on my roster
3 is their potential rating after the draft in the player's second year
4 is their potential rating after the draft in the player's third year

General trends:

- if a player loses pts at (2), they tend to lose more pts every year
- if a player gains pts at (2), they tend to gain more pts every year
- if a player remains the same at (2), they tend to gain pts, but not as much as if they had gained pts at (2)

These rules are not absolute, but just trends. The yellow line at the top is an interesting case: he went from 60/80 to 60/60 to 69/69 in the course of a season. Most data for the losers only lasts a season or two, because they were cut. One exception is the pink line that starts at 70, I've kept him and he continues to trend down. Those that trend down also gain current pts at a slower rate, probably because they don't have as far to go to reach their full potential.

[SteveBsFan]

Interesting stuff...

It could be possible the scout looks at him at the combine as a 65 for example, then when he comes to your roster realizes he's really a little worse than you thought, which leads to the downward trend.

I wish I kept track of my picks like that though.

[sovstar]

Uh, what is up with the dark red line there?

[Pirates]

I don't think it's all smoke and mirrors, but it would be easier to figure kickers out if they had the FG% depending on the yardage.

Does your kicker only attempt mostly 20-45 yard FGs? What happens when you're stopped at the 35 yard line? Do you usually punt or go for a FG attempt?

Not sure. Too much data to go through. I just know he doesnt miss that often and that is good enough for me.

I was playing single player and tried drafting stud kickers and I always seem to get the better deal with the undrafted guys who show consistency. The higher rated ones were all over the board from season to season, for the most part.

[SteveBsFan]

Not sure. Too much data to go through. I just know he doesnt miss that often and that is good enough for me.

I was playing single player and tried drafting stud kickers and I always seem to get the better deal with the undrafted guys who show consistency. The higher rated ones were all over the board from season to season, for the most part.

Well I think the coach weighs kicking power when deciding whether to kick or punt, and in situations like mine with low accuracy but high power, he would attempt a ton of very long kicks, and of course miss.

In your case (at least going by last season), your misses came from a 57 yard attempt to end a half which fell short of the crossbar, and a 45 yard attempt to end a half.. So only once last season did he attempt a FG longer than 45 yards. I'm going to go through my logs and see how many attempts my guy made (since i'm bored hoping CBA signs on)

[MrBigglesworth]

Uh, what is up with the dark red line there?

Cajigal, a fourth round pick that was a random boom.

[sovstar]

Uh, what is up with the dark red line there?

Cajigal, a fourth round pick that was a random boom.

So you're saying that (2) is AFTER the begin late free agency button is pushed?