Question From Cringer For Everyone

[Jave]

That's how it's supposed to be for 31 of the 32 teams.... we're not SUPPOSED to be able to account for all situations... what fun is a league where everyone has a full team (or close to it) and we're just hoping for turnovers?

Actually........

Do you think that NFL teams lose a DE and just put some scrub in there because their stud backup DT doesn't weigh enough? I would think that a team should do whatever it takes to win. A good owner attempts to get backups that can do whatever he is called on to do, regardless.

I am pissed everytime I do my gameplan, that this stupid game won't let us put TE's at the WR position in 90% of the formations aka; Gates and Gonzalez. If you have crappy BU recievers, but 2 stud TE's, you should be able to toss them in reciever slots.

[MrBigglesworth]

We'd all rather have the draft class adjusted in some way but playing it "as it lies" is the way of the game IMO.

C'mon though, this is fixing a obvious unrealistic problem. Obviously, you could say that a DT weighing 220 lbs would probably not be effective IRL, so you shouldn't be able to move him there in the game. But in the game, that player would perform fantastically at NT, and not be able to be moved to DT. Or he'd perform great at LDT but wouldn't be able to move to RDT. It's just an unrealistic nuisance.

[r00k]

Nooooo....

I scream "No" as my vote for this one in a knee-jerk reaction to manipulated draft files....

"It is what it is" is the rule I'd like to abide by.... as long as we settle for one type of class (TCY generated or not).

We'd all rather have the draft class adjusted in some way but playing it "as it lies" is the way of the game IMO.

- Jester

I for one agree with Jester ... I would prefer that the files not be tampered with. The game deals the deck of cards that it generates and trying to make it a perfect world will just uncork other unanticipated irregularities. I personally like straight poker and not a game that every fricken card in the deck is made "wild".

[MrBigglesworth]

Just to give our discussion some practical focus, I loaded the draft class up and out of the top 15 DT's, only 4 weighed 280 or more. So only four out of the top 15 can change from NT to DT and vice versa.

[SteveBsFan]

Nooooo....

I scream "No" as my vote for this one in a knee-jerk reaction to manipulated draft files....

"It is what it is" is the rule I'd like to abide by.... as long as we settle for one type of class (TCY generated or not).

We'd all rather have the draft class adjusted in some way but playing it "as it lies" is the way of the game IMO.

- Jester

I for one agree with Jester ... I would prefer that the files not be tampered with. The game deals the deck of cards that it generates and trying to make it a perfect world will just uncork other unanticipated irregularities. I personally like straight poker and not a game that every fricken card in the deck is made "wild".

I also agree with that.

[morellomre]

im for it.

[Kobeck]

Nooooo....

I scream "No" as my vote for this one in a knee-jerk reaction to manipulnated draft files....

"It is what it is" is the rule I'd like to abide by.... as long as we settle for one tywpe of class (TCY generated or not).

We'do all rather have the draft class adjusted in some way but playing it "as it lies" is the way of the game IMO.

- Jedster

I for one agree with Jester ... I would prefer that the files not be tampered with. The game deals the deck of cards that it generates and trying to make it a perfect world will just uncork other unanticipated irregularities. I personally like straight poker and not a game that every fricken card in the deck is made "wild".

FWIW put me down as a big ol' Neyt on changing the draft file. Plenty of light weight DE's in the NFL - Kearse, that skirt wearing sissy boy for the Colts, ect.

Some teams got ginormous DT's others use more athletic lighter DT's. I say leave the file as is.

[sovstar]

You guys are all aware that Cringer has to edit the big play receiving skill for tight ends, right? Yeah, otherwise they all have zeroes for that. Just something to think about. At this point, I don't really have an opionion on the matter. Just thought I'd mention that Cringer has tampered with the draft files before.

[Pirates]

Unfortunately, I see both sides. I have seen some real draft classes as not having big DL's and others have some, so by changing it we are tampering with what cards we are dealt with. However, by not being able to switch a guy because of weight, then that is frustrating. Anyway can we change the weight on an individual basis?

Say a GM sees a player he wants to move to DT. We change the weight because coach told the player gain 30 and we move you inside. That type of thing. Is that possible?

[sovstar]

Anyway can we change the weight on an individual basis?

Say a GM sees a player he wants to move to DT. We change the weight because coach told the player gain 30 and we move you inside. That type of thing. Is that possible?

No, that won't be possible. The only time you can edit weight would be before the draft.

[hawkster]

There's no potential for abuse. Cringer wouldn't be suggesting it otherwise.

Food for thought, took a random sample of DTs from nfl.com's list. The lowest weight was 293, the highest was 335. The average was somewhere around 310.

The average on 3 teams chosen at random in the IFL: 288, 293, 290

Definitely a disparity but I'm also remaining neutral because I could care less either way.

[JesterBlaze]

You guys are all aware that Cringer has to edit the big play receiving skill for tight ends, right? Yeah, otherwise they all have zeroes for that. Just something to think about. At this point, I don't really have an opionion on the matter. Just thought I'd mention that Cringer has tampered with the draft files before.

I think this one is an obvious flaw due to the extreme of it. If the DT's in this year's draft weighed 0 pounds I'd vote to have them changed, however as is I say let it ride.

BTW - I'm not a TCY vet so if this is a common bug known throughout the FOF community then I'd change my opinion but as I see it it's just one draft class that's abnormal just like last season's was abnormally strong up front.

[MrBigglesworth]

You guys are all aware that Cringer has to edit the big play receiving skill for tight ends, right? Yeah, otherwise they all have zeroes for that. Just something to think about. At this point, I don't really have an opionion on the matter. Just thought I'd mention that Cringer has tampered with the draft files before.

I think this one is an obvious flaw due to the extreme of it. If the DT's in this year's draft weighed 0 pounds I'd vote to have them changed, however as is I say let it ride.

BTW - I'm not a TCY vet so if this is a common bug known throughout the FOF community then I'd change my opinion but as I see it it's just one draft class that's abnormal just like last season's was abnormally strong up front.

75% of the DT's are too small to play DT. That's pretty extreme.

[JesterBlaze]

75% of the DT's are too small to play DT. That's pretty extreme.

75% of the DT's are smaller than ideal. Abnormal, but not nearly to the extent of ALL TE's having 0 for big play ability.

[MrBigglesworth]

75% of the DT's are too small to play DT. That's pretty extreme.

75% of the DT's are smaller than ideal. Abnormal, but not nearly to the extent of ALL TE's having 0 for big play ability.

It's got nothing to do with the ideal, it has to do with the fact that you can't do any position switches with them. The issue is that it is dumb to have to either find exactly what you need (LDT, RDT, NT) or play a player out of position, and this position is the only one that has this problem to this extent. Most of the dissent that I am reading here has to do with the fact that there are smaller players in the NFL or whatever, but that isn't the issue, the issue is a game mechanics issue of being able to change their position in-game.