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  • #16
    He is a pretty decent RB. I've had conversations with DG about him and has told him he plays beyond his ratings. Still, not worthy of a 1st rounder by any means.

    It will be interesting to see how he performs this year. I tend to think Dakota's OL played a key in his success. I will be watching him this year just because of the enormous price UK paid to acquire him.

    DG must have been floored that UK offered a 1st for him and I dont blame him for moving him at all. You gotta make that move. DG's face must have lit up like he was holding pocket Ace's before the flop.
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    • #17
      Not worth a first rounder if you just go by ratings, but clearly Graham has the 'right' ratings otherwise he wouldn't have picked up 2k+ yards in his first 2 seasons. This could be one of those trades that work out well for both, yet on the outside it looks like one got robbed.

      If Graham continues to produce 4-5 ypc, he's worth a 1st rounder, especially if they win with him
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      • #18
        I smell a slight similarity to Tim Austin.
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        • #19
          lol
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          • #20
            Took Graham less than 5 minutes of 2021 to score his first TD.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by JesterBlaze View Post
              Took Graham less than 5 minutes of 2021 to score his first TD.
              Graham had an average game yardage wise but hopefully that's because we played Cleveland in Cleveland.

              He did score 2 TD's and gave us a rush threat in the redzone which was new for us.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by JesterBlaze View Post
                Yep, no argument here. Just commenting.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by ukpatfan View Post
                  Graham had an average game yardage wise but hopefully that's because we played Cleveland in Cleveland.

                  He did score 2 TD's and gave us a rush threat in the redzone which was new for us.
                  can I have Lawrence Strunk back???

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                  • #24
                    can I have Lawrence Strunk back???
                    He's yours for a 1st!!
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                    • #25
                      Already worth the price of admission for Wichita in only his 1st season.
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                      • #26

                        No 22. Vinny Graham

                        For the record:
                        Graham finished with 1556yds rushing from 318 carries.
                        He set Outlaws single season records for Yds rushed, carries and 100yd rush games (eight).

                        He had the fourth best total yds rushing in the league (very close to being 2nd best) and without his contribution to the team, there is no way Wichita would've made the playoffs.

                        I hoped the trade would end up a win - win and I think the gamble paid off.

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                        Last edited by ukpatfan; 04-30-2012, 10:22 AM.
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                        • #27
                          All the bleating over Jave's Portland trades got me thinking back to this trade.

                          2022 was Vinny's second year as an Outlaw:

                          1467yds from 347 carries and 12 TD's from 15 regular season games (inlcuding a week 17 All-Time Outlaws single game record of 225yds rushing)......and another 303yds in three playoff games.

                          3rd best rushing yards total in 2022, tied 3rd best rushing TD total.

                          Vinny's still rolling.
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                          • #28
                            Vincent Graham is currently ahead of "Propane", picked in the top 10 of the 2007 draft along with Vincent and well worth it, who rocks the IFL world when not injured... Despite what anyone thought at the time of the Dakota/"London" trade... If you're not willing to give up a 1st Rounder for Graham at this point then you're either DakotaGeorge, a moron/idiot/MoMo, or by definition all of.



                            Meanwhile... Dakota is honestly "dumb as they come" and sitting at 3-7 and having traded a stud RB to 9-1 Newark and 10-0 London in the past few years... If anything says "kill yourself"... roflmfao... Dakota stands to set the bar for dumbasses as they take the "Herschel/Ricky" bounty from Tulsa and STILL eat a dick up!!! roflmaof (f= forever)
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                            • #29
                              I like to think Vinny's playing with a chip on his shoulder and enjoys proving the talking heads wrong.

                              He's had an excellent career with his new team, gave us a genuine ground attack and was well worth the price paid.
                              He's been a massive contributor to our recent playoff appearances and our current 10 -0 record.

                              As far as the trade goes:
                              It was a gamble at the time but nothing ventured, nothing gained.
                              Every time Vinny scores a TD I mentally flick the finger!
                              Last edited by ukpatfan; 05-14-2013, 06:14 AM.
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