ReProcessed: Lansing/Georgia

[morellomre]

Lansing sends 1st round pick this year

Georgia sends WR Halbert

[Beeznik]

Georgia confirms. Thanks Lansing!

[iceman99]

Nice trade...

Halbert is a nice addition for Lansing. Solid trade for Georgia..

Hard to see Halbert in another uniform though

David

[morellomre]

Love the Jarvis/Halbert combo. I think he'll thrive for us not having to be the #1.

4 straight years now without a 1st round pick.

[JesterBlaze]

The NC's best teams keep stacking on talent.

Madison, Tulsa... now another star WR for Hamilton!?!??

Scary times.

[Hell Atlantic]

odd that you'd give up a 1st rounder for a 10th year vet, knowing that after the 10th year retirement can come at any time. you could've had WR's on my squad (excluding Mullin) for a lot less. heck, even Ron Webster could've been had for a 2nd or 3rd and he'll probably have the same stats this season as Halbert. i guess i treat 1st rounders differently - if i'm gonna trade one i'm getting back a difference maker in return and certainly not a 10th year vet. great trade for Georgia.

[SteveBsFan]

Cost to acquire Halbert = 3 first round picks
Cost to get trade him = 1 first round pick
net trade = 2 first round picks..

Overall 'the trade' didn't turn out that bad. 2 first rounders for 55 TD's, 8,600 yards, tons of kick and punt return yards, and a very durable player over the years.

[morellomre]

odd that you'd give up a 1st rounder for a 10th year vet, knowing that after the 10th year retirement can come at any time. you could've had WR's on my squad (excluding Mullin) for a lot less. heck, even Ron Webster could've been had for a 2nd or 3rd and he'll probably have the same stats this season as Halbert. i guess i treat 1st rounders differently - if i'm gonna trade one i'm getting back a difference maker in return and certainly not a 10th year vet. great trade for Georgia.

If you check the roster, we're not exactly building the future. Half our big time players might be retired by the time that 1st round pick (near the end of the round) becomes a solid player, if he even becomes one.

[Jave]

odd that you'd give up a 1st rounder for a 10th year vet, knowing that after the 10th year retirement can come at any time. you could've had WR's on my squad (excluding Mullin) for a lot less. heck, even Ron Webster could've been had for a 2nd or 3rd and he'll probably have the same stats this season as Halbert. i guess i treat 1st rounders differently - if i'm gonna trade one i'm getting back a difference maker in return and certainly not a 10th year vet. great trade for Georgia.

I was real suprised a first was traded for a 10th year player as well. After year 10 the odds of dropping 10-15 points in training camp are a very real possibility. He could drop THIS YEAR after training camp. If you look at the trade from a "right now" perspective then it's a great trade. But factor in his age...OUCH.

But Lansing is making a final push for a championship so I see why a 1st is rather meaningless to him, I did the same thing when I had Hamilton, Martinez and Bice. A first didn't mean jack shit to me, I wanted to win, and win NOW..so it does make sense.....

[Matt]

I still think all this trading is crazy. The season ended 3 days ago.

[Hell Atlantic]

If you check the roster, we're not exactly building the future. Half our big time players might be retired by the time that 1st round pick (near the end of the round) becomes a solid player, if he even becomes one.

that's great - if you can guarantee to stick around for the lean years when guys like Halbert and such have retired and you're stuck with a weak roster with no young talent since you traded 4 years of first round picks to win it all. if you can't make that guarantee i just don't see how trading a first rounder for a 2, 3 year rental at best is in your best interests. not like Halbert is what puts you over the top instead of a WR you could've aquired for a bunch of 2nd rounders.

for my 1st round pick i expect to aquire a player that's going to be on my team for a minimum of 10 years, hopefully his entire career. so when i see someone trade a pick that represents a 10 year (minimum) franchise player for a guy that has maybe 3 years left in the tank, specificially one on the downside of his career, well, i guess i laugh. not to say my way is best but i'm done going all in and trying to trade my way into a championship.

and not for nothing, Hamilton had a ridiculous season, out of all the players to aquire you need *another* WR? Hamilton ain't exactly Donovan McNabb who's starving for a competent WR. that's just me.

[morellomre]

that's great - if you can guarantee to stick around for the lean years when guys like Halbert and such have retired and you're stuck with a weak roster with no young talent since you traded 4 years of first round picks to win it all. if you can't make that guarantee i just don't see how trading a first rounder for a 2, 3 year rental at best is in your best interests. not like Halbert is what puts you over the top instead of a WR you could've aquired for a bunch of 2nd rounders.

I see the oppurtunity with this team starting to close. I'm very obviously trying to win now, and mortgaging the future to do so. It's a risk, but a risk I want to take. Lets remember, this is a game, and making such a move is exciting. Shame on me for having fun!

for my 1st round pick i expect to aquire a player that's going to be on my team for a minimum of 10 years, hopefully his entire career. so when i see someone trade a pick that represents a 10 year (minimum) franchise player for a guy that has maybe 3 years left in the tank, specificially one on the downside of his career, well, i guess i laugh. not to say my way is best but i'm done going all in and trying to trade my way into a championship

My pick is at the bottom of the first round. I cant say i have such high expectations for a player picked then. Solid player? Yes. But to expect a player to be a 10 year 'franchise' kind of guy is pushing it. Throw in the fact that this is a win-now team and the pick has substancially less value to myself then someone who is building their team. I'm thinking about this season - and this season only. No guarntees on who will be here next season - including Hamilton.

and not for nothing, Hamilton had a ridiculous season, out of all the players to aquire you need *another* WR? Hamilton ain't exactly Donovan McNabb who's starving for a competent WR. that's just me.

Your right, but we don't exactly have a balanced offense here in Lansing . Considering how much we rely on our recievers I wanted to get the best one available.

[Pirates]

Hey if you have future firsts then who cares. If you dont have any firsts in the next 2-3 seasons you might have a problem if you miss your championship mark. It sounds like all you did was give up a late first for a star player. You will never get that value, especially a WR at that spot anyways. For me, I have learned never to mortgage later seasons for older players. I have done it and gotten killed. There is nothing worse when you give up a future first and then tank and someone gets a high pick and a goldmine.

[Hell Atlantic]

there's plenty of players who were selected in the 2nd round, nevermind the 1st round, that have gone on to be 70+ rated guys. i used to trade 2nd and 3rd rounder like they were baseball cards until i realized that there's some great players to be had.

and even if those late 1st and 2nd rounders don't pan out at the very least you have a really good backup. who would you rather have on your team, a guy you picked in the 1st round who's now a 60 rated player, on your team for 5 years or be forced to fill his spot with a 10 year veteran who rated 40 overall?

maybe i shouldn't have said i want a 1st round pick to be a 10 year franchise player. i just want someone i can use for a minimum of 10 years, if not more. i'm just saying its great you wanna have fun but it'll suck 5 years from now if you burn out and leave and now the next owner is stuck with a team with a huge talent void because all the guys that should've been on the team and fully developed are now on other people's teams. you easily could've got Halbert for less than a 1st rounder, you can't tell me there was a huge market for a 10th year WR. that 72/72 overall rating can easily dip to 62/62 before week one and all of a sudden you have a very average WR on your hands. shit, even Chris Andrews the rookie dynamo WR on Tulsa was taken outside of the top 15 overall spot. and if you have a low 1st rounder no one says you can't trade up if you see a guy you like. anyone can walk away from their team anytime they want, you just wanna make sure you aren't leaving a team in shambles for the next guy after you went all in and failed. i'm not saying Lansing's owner is gonna leave, its just very short sighted. the Patriots didn't even give up a 1st round pick for Moss and they were going for it all, not to mention Moss is probably a 80+ overall rated player in FOF terms.

[JesterBlaze]

there's plenty of players who were selected in the 2nd round, nevermind the 1st round, that have gone on to be 70+ rated guys. i used to trade 2nd and 3rd rounder like they were baseball cards until i realized that there's some great players to be had.

and even if those late 1st and 2nd rounders don't pan out at the very least you have a really good backup. who would you rather have on your team, a guy you picked in the 1st round who's now a 60 rated player, on your team for 5 years or be forced to fill his spot with a 10 year veteran who rated 40 overall?

maybe i shouldn't have said i want a 1st round pick to be a 10 year franchise player. i just want someone i can use for a minimum of 10 years, if not more. i'm just saying its great you wanna have fun but it'll suck 5 years from now if you burn out and leave and now the next owner is stuck with a team with a huge talent void because all the guys that should've been on the team and fully developed are now on other people's teams. you easily could've got Halbert for less than a 1st rounder, you can't tell me there was a huge market for a 10th year WR. that 72/72 overall rating can easily dip to 62/62 before week one and all of a sudden you have a very average WR on your hands. shit, even Chris Andrews the rookie dynamo WR on Tulsa was taken outside of the top 15 overall spot. and if you have a low 1st rounder no one says you can't trade up if you see a guy you like. anyone can walk away from their team anytime they want, you just wanna make sure you aren't leaving a team in shambles for the next guy after you went all in and failed. i'm not saying Lansing's owner is gonna leave, its just very short sighted. the Patriots didn't even give up a 1st round pick for Moss and they were going for it all, not to mention Moss is probably a 80+ overall rated player in FOF terms.

This is the most intelligent thing HA has ever said on these forums. They grow up so fast.

Well, maybe not fast but there's some FOF maturity poking it's head out here.

Lets remember, this is a game, and making such a move is exciting. Shame on me for having fun!

This of course is the trump card though so enjoy your WR my friend!