Discussion on Cap reduction

[markc]

So that's why we suggest other options for the horse lovers: leave the Unicorn alone!

lol - I like it! This is a good discussion. I don't have much to add except I don't think reducing the cap by 10-15% is going to cause that much hardship - you won't be forced to cut all your top players that you've groomed. In fact, there shouldn't be any problem keeping all your stars if you want to, you'll just have to cut corners on the remainder of your team.

Jester made a good point about the QB-WR-WR combo, and how it's not the end all in the IFL as it is in other leagues (I hear). I wonder if the cap-crunch would need to be combined with the QB-WR nerf to achieve the desired results?

[JesterBlaze]

QB-WR nerf

Now this sounds like an improvement and is something I'm not aware of. Please open up this can for discussion!!

[Beeznik]

Jester made a good point about the QB-WR-WR combo, and how it's not the end all in the IFL as it is in other leagues (I hear). I wonder if the cap-crunch would need to be combined with the QB-WR nerf to achieve the desired results?

Now this sounds like an improvement and is something I'm not aware of. Please open up this can for discussion!!

[SteveBsFan]

The NFL fires coaches and GMs every season for simply not being as good as the league requires. The fact that the same teams make the IFL playoffs may be because of a salary cap somehow... or it could be that those GMs are simply better.

You're right, and if Jim didn't hibernate into the mountains or wherever he went, and FoF remained as relevant as say OOTP, we can probably do the same here. The NFL can do that because there is always some hotshot ready to try and prove himself as a head coach, but in the FoF world, I'm honestly shocked leagues still exist at this point. (I know it's probably more, but it seems like 50-100 people do the online leagues with half of them running multiple teams.)

Don't get me wrong, I do see the pros for keeping status quo, especially in a league that prides itself on the casual nature that IFL does. We're not a hardcore league that sims 3x a week, and most people accept that... I know I do. That said, I'm merely saying if there is a 'house rule' we can tweak that would increase the fun even a few 'percentage points', we should not be scared to discuss it.

Is a salary cap tweak that fix? It's hard to say. I'm not totally for, nor am I totally against it. I see arguments on both sides and many make great points. I just enjoy discussion on possible fixes because this game is far from perfect, but house rules can always help that.

Honestly, a tighter cap hurts me more than many other teams right now, but for me, an incredibly boring off-season every few months hurts way more.

[SteveBsFan]

I disagree strongly. Having leagues with different rules/etc is a good thing. This way, they can suit different GMs styles/preferences. No one is telling anyone to leave this league, but join another one that fits what you want if you think it would be better. People obviously feel this rule might be detrimental to the league. Detrimental to those who enjoy drafting players and watching them grow.

If you struggle with drafting, there are threads in FOFC that will show you how to improve your drafts, and it's not very time consuming at all.

Of course it's a good thing and we're not talking about being just like another league. That said, the reply 'no one is stopping you from joining another league' is no more helpful to the discussion than randomly jumping in and saying how you're butthurt you suggested salary cap a few seasons ago and were ignored (*cough* DG).

We have house rules in this league because FoF is far from perfect (2 year salary rules, 70 man rosters, etc), and discussing another one isn't trying to turn the league into one of the hardcore ones.

I'm also not sure where you are going with the drafting part of your reply. I have done well in recent seasons drafting my team, but it doesn't mean that's the only way I want to build a roster.

[BOSS]

Yes, please stop with the "there are other leagues out there". So tired of hearing that bullshit.

[Jave]

Here's another problem with this move. Think about it terms of owners. Now everyone here knows there are owners who "get it", and those who don't. For the most part, I fall in the "clueless" category, although it's not for lack of effort.
I've studied the game, charts, graphs and been to FOFC a hundred times trying to get better. I've got drafting down pretty good but gameplanning...not so much

Ok, now, without actually going year by year and checking my win/loss record, I would estimate that I have lost 140 games during my years here. Keep in mind, I was here since the beginning. And in real life, that was 2004. It's now 2013, so yea........been here a long frikking time. So wrap your head around this. 140 losses at one loss a week, with the rare exception of 2 game weeks. 140X7=980. That's in days folks. 980 days at a 7 day week. 140 weeks I was a loser. Now there is 52 weeks in a year. So that means, rounding off, I have been a loser in this game for over 3 years in real life.
Wrap your head around that. THREE YEARS I HAVE LOST GAMES. 3 years................................
Now in the past, the best way I knew to win games was to get the most amount of players with the biggest, fat red bars I could find. Load my roster and hope for the best. Now your telling me that because it's a challenge to some owners that we should reduce the salary cap further because for some owners it's to easy? How many rings do I have? Ohhh that's right. Zero.
With the exception of a couple seasons, I have been here and played every single week since 2004. That's 9 years, that's 468 weeks, 3,276 days. THREE THOUSAND, TWO HUNDRED SEVENTY-SIX DAYS.

And now you want to tell me that it's not hard enough for some owners and they need a challenge so we should increase the difficulty? Uhhhh F U?

(P.S. I'm not angry or upset. Just trying to make my point of view loud and clear!)

[Beeznik]

Of course it's a good thing and we're not talking about being just like another league. That said, the reply 'no one is stopping you from joining another league' is no more helpful to the discussion than randomly jumping in and saying how you're butthurt you suggested salary cap a few seasons ago and were ignored (*cough* DG).

We have house rules in this league because FoF is far from perfect (2 year salary rules, 70 man rosters, etc), and discussing another one isn't trying to turn the league into one of the hardcore ones.

I'm also not sure where you are going with the drafting part of your reply. I have done well in recent seasons drafting my team, but it doesn't mean that's the only way I want to build a roster.

We'll disagree on that point about 'joining another league' then. No one is telling them to leave this one, try out another one too that has these types of changes that you desire instead of forcing them on everyone else. See my post below.

But drafting is the best way to build a roster, in the real NFL and FOF. I wasn't necessarily speaking about you. But the ones that seem to struggle are the teams that have a lot of GM turnover or consistently have poor drafts. If someone is consistently drafting guys that lose rating, it might be time to head over to FOFC and read up a little.

[Beeznik]

It's amazing how the majority is always wrong everytime we have a poll on anything. These polls are useless and should only be used for consideration. Matt, be a commish and make the decisions that are best for the league. These same people hold this league back time and time again. Quit letting the prisoners run the asylum.

Yes, please stop with the "there are other leagues out there". So tired of hearing that bullshit.

You advocated Matt doing away with the poll and forcing this move on the league, regardless of whether a majority of owners were for it or not as if your opinion that this move would be good for the league is the only opinion that matters. So if you feel that strongly about it, yeah, why not join a league that has it? Have you even played in a league that has these rules in place?

[BOSS]

Have you even played in a league that has these rules in place?

No, I'm hoping this league will be my first.

[GGill]

Hey Tarcone, I let Wolmuth go for a reason! Quality is not the word I think of when reviewing his past season. However, your team is better than mine so it will be interesting to see what he does in the upcoming year.

FYI I let “King” George go last year and LA signed him for a ton. I don’t think he got that much value for him. But to me, SS and FS are a dime a dozen for what they bring to the table. JMO!

[GGill]

Here are my thoughts on the salary cap reduction. I would be for a 10% reduction just to make things a tad more interesting. I agree with whoever made the point that FA is pretty sad overall. Now that being said, IF we did go this route with a salary reduction I think the following should be considered.

In fairness to teams and GM planning it would need to be a two or three seasons in the future. I think it would only be fair to all this way because I’m sure some GM’S actually plan things out that far.

Perhaps the season before reduction the cap should be raised so teams can keep the players they had drafted instead of losing them because of a game change.

Finally I think the IFL is pretty good the way it is with one game a week and wish we didn’t have the two game a week, weeks. I also think that each preseason segment should be two days instead of the one break neck speed we go at. WHY THE RUSH? I know I made a couple of mistakes because I didn’t have time to think about a move because of work and the deadline!

[Matt]

good reading folks.

I think it's healthy for everyone to speak about this.

For sure GGill, if this was something that was implemented, we would have it become "live" after 1 full offseason.

i think one thing to consider about the reduction would be it's affect on players signed in FA. If someone throws bonus money at a player who's in his 8th year, how does that impact the franchise in the long term?

[Beeznik]

good reading folks.

I think it's healthy for everyone to speak about this.

For sure GGill, if this was something that was implemented, we would have it become "live" after 1 full offseason.

i think one thing to consider about the reduction would be it's affect on players signed in FA. If someone throws bonus money at a player who's in his 8th year, how does that impact the franchise in the long term?

So if it goes forward it would be implemented when? Why not just stop the cap increases until we get to the desired %?

[Matt]

So if it goes forward it would be implemented when? Why not just stop the cap increases until we get to the desired %?

I was thinking that it would be implemented after a complete offseason.
so if it was approved now we would change the cap figure for the 2026 season.