Question

[DakotaGeorge]

Since I missed the conversation.

I was wonder who exactly thinks that i am

"apparantly tanking" the season.

If you think so I would like to see your proof as in what makes you think I am doing such things.

My first week I game planned to run about 60-70% of the time in all situations because I noticed I had a talented backfield but a questionable QB situation. I wound up running the ball only 16 times and was upset.

The 2nd week I was playing one of the better teams in the league my 2-7 team had no chance of beating so I wanted to test out the game plan workings in the game so in most situations i ran the ball 100% of the time.

Last week I ran the ball which I wanted to do since my team has more talented backfield then anything else on offense about 66% of the time.


so 2 out of the 3 weeks in question I game planned to run 2 out of 3 times and thats tanking the season?

or is it the fact that i have no playoff hopes at all and im starting my young qb who can develop into a good qb for next year instead of a aged QB who is probably gonna retire at the end of the year and will do me no good right now?


Im running an honest game plan and starting all of my starters cept starting the young QB who needs development. I want to know who has a problem and why so we can get this out of the way.


Thanks.

[JesterBlaze]

Commishes, was there a problem with Dakota's last export? I ask since the team would then have fallen back on the 100% run gameplan I believe.


FWIW DakotaGeorge the last Dakota GM (Argot) had problems getting the type of rushing attack going that he wanted.

[Suicane]

I will step up publicly and say that I was not pleased when I looked at the logs of the Montreal game and I reacted off of that. I did PM you and yes I made an accusation that I should not of without looking at your gameplan first.

I am still quite quizacle (and this is not a further accusation at you george) as to how you could of run so much in every situation that didn't happen before the 2 minute warning of the first half and the last 7 minutes of the game. You ran the ball constantly even in situations where your gameplan clearly called for a much more even split.

I think you'll find that i'm very leniant in letting people run teams how they want to run them. I never even looked at your player usage or starters, I'm pretty hands off in that regard.

I hope however, you can see where the amount of running, even in situations where you were you were trailing by a wide margin caused me some concern.

I know you're new and don't know me from a hole in the ground but I can assure you that i am as fair as fair can be in situations like this and always try to give the owner the benefit of the doubt, if my pm to you seemed more standoffish than intended then I do appologize publicly but it was not intended in that matter, I simply wanted to voice my displeasure with the previous 2 game logs and give you a little nudge.

Tanking is something that I take very seriously and i'd rather err on the side of over caution than to let another week go by and see what happens, but as I said I should have looked at your gameplan first.

In summation, let's just move on.

[JesterBlaze]

I am still quite quizacle (and this is not a further accusation at you george) as to how you could of run so much in every situation that didn't happen before the 2 minute warning of the first half and the last 7 minutes of the game. You ran the ball constantly even in situations where your gameplan clearly called for a much more even split.

How about the adjustments screen? Remember the game where I threw long every play against Vermont when we first moved to FOF 2K7? The adjustments might be going to non-runs "never" or to runs "always".

[DakotaGeorge]

Theres a thing too that you bring up a good point but let me be the first to say that I have NEVER messed with the situations screen of yet I told the owner of the league i was kinda new to the 2k7 format. I havent touched that the only screen I really touched to tune running up or down was down and distance screen.

I can assure you im not trying to dump the season. Just trying to get this offense to run the way I want it to.

Now that everyone knows what kinda offense im gonna run I guess im going to have to use the flea flicker now.

[Argot]

I would cut DakotaGeorge some slack here...This was another piece of the frustration that sent me flying off the edge and looking for a replacement. I was hoping that maybe somebody else could fix it...

The fact remains that one thing I moved to 100% was RB Jamison's starting time, and moved run percentages to about 80% to get the team to run the ball, but even then we were a bit pass happy.

What perhaps George did not change was that I intentionally tried to reset the game variables to not change depending upon the circumstances. My reason for doing this was, early last year we were getting leads and then took our foot off the gas and ended up getting beat.

So...if we were winning by passing the ball....we would keep passing the ball...no matter what quarter or what the score was.

now...I'm not sure that a similar situation would be created if the game plan was to initially run 90%...if then even tho losing you would keep running the ball..

I know what I'm trying to say here...just hope I'm communicating correctly.

[DakotaGeorge]

Well a way to get the #1 back more touches is to make him the 3rd down back aswell.

last game each back took 23 carries tho I set my #1 back to get 100% of the playing time. we had 18 3rd downs. I guess that could shed SOME light on why the backup was in so often. He is the 3rd down RB in run and pass situations I changed that.

[Jave]

If the goal is to win the game why would you set your gameplan to run 100% of the time? I mean, you can't win football games that way. If your controlling the ball, and the score, then it makes sense to milk the clock and grind out a power running game, but if your falling behind, and in your case BIG, then wouldn't you give your team a chance to catch up or win and start throwing it?

Sorry, it "looks" to me like tanking for a high draft pick. I just can't see the justification for running the ball 100% of the time until the game "forces" a pass here and there. I read your explanation at least half a dozen times and I guess I don't understand it.

[DakotaGeorge]

That is why you run your team and I will run mine.

the only game I ran the ball 100% of the time in was against Madison a game I was already going to lose.

Hey btw Real teams use offense similar to such. you know like Navy and Airforce etc. Like I said I did it once you run your team I will run mine. I game I was gonna lose to madison no matter what and your gonna sit here and tell me im throwing the season. I find that highly offensive.

[Jave]

That is why you run your team and I will run mine.

the only game I ran the ball 100% of the time in was against Madison a game I was already going to lose.

Hey btw Real teams use offense similar to such. you know like Navy and Airforce etc. Like I said I did it once you run your team I will run mine. I game I was gonna lose to madison no matter what and your gonna sit here and tell me im throwing the season. I find that highly offensive.

Ok, first off, you asked for my opinion. Remember?

Since I missed the conversation.

I was wonder who exactly thinks that i am

"apparantly tanking" the season.

If you think so I would like to see your proof as in what makes you think I am doing such things.

I want to know who has a problem and why so we can get this out of the way.


Thanks.

Second of all, we do not OWN these teams. They are owned by the league, which is Sui as commissioner and the rest of the owners who state opinions and have a voice in the operations of the league. What that means to you is you cannot do whatever you want with your team as stated in the league constitution, line 4c:

4c: Catch All Anti-Douchebag Rule:
This is a catch all rule involving tanking, being a dick on the board, etc. Thankfully we've only had 1 or 2 instances guys trying to subvert fairness in the past and they were dealt with swiftly. I have no desire to make up a ton of rules regarding fairness and dickery. If you're trying to subvert fair play or being an asshat I will deal with you.

Basically I cannot do whatever I want with Oakland. If I was to attempt to cheat, tank or cause my team irreparable damage, such as dumping multiple high priced players putting the team in excessive dead cap space, I can and will be removed.

I'm not accusing you of tanking however by gameplanning in such a way to make it nearly impossible for your team to win games is treading very close to rule 4c. This is highlighted by the fact we are so close to the end of the season and it would improve your draft pick considerably by losing your remaining games rather then winning as you are not going to the playoffs. This is against the spirit of the league.
Ultimately it's up to Suicane and it appears he is cutting you slack however your gameplan is highly suspicious and stating that:

I ran the ball 100% of the time in was against Madison a game I was already going to lose.

is a cop out. I play his ass this week and you can bet I am pulling out all the stops to whoop his ass worse then I did last year when I put a 41-17 drubbing on him! No team in this league is "unbeatable" and just in case ya didn't know, Army and Air Force are not professional teams. That's why you don't see any NFL teams running their offense, because it doesn't work. FYI!!

[DakotaGeorge]

I dont plan on running the offense I just thought I'd make the tiny point that this isn't the pros either this is a video game.

Point being I am not tanking if I were tanking I would have ran the game plan all 3 games not just 1.

Let's Move on.

[BOSS]

If George isn't too experienced with the game then i would hold off judgment. Looking at his team the strength would seem to be the running game. He has three pretty good RB's and a decent OL.

When i played him i thought he was trying to throw me a curveball with his smashmouth gameplan but obviously he still wants to run the football after our game.

Dakota is 2-9 so really nothing is working for them. He probably just needs to clean up his gameplan where he should really be passing like on 3rd and longs and w/e.

I'm just commenting without looking at his last game. I am assuming he ran on 3rd and longs and what not when trailing they way you guys are talking.

[Hell Atlantic]

i find it humorous that a person who starts a thread asking for feedback takes it personal when people give him their opinions.

my opinion: Dakota is tanking.

my reasons for my opinion:

1. if you read *most* of the threads around here, you'd see one big complaint is the offense is up - defense is down. offense is up mainly due to QB's, even marginal/average ones, being able to have great stats. its not required to have a Jay Caro (that's Portland's world-beater QB for those that don't know) to have great stats at QB. look no further than California's QB - Ruben Sante. he's having a career year and if you look at his ratings you would see something's wrong since his ratings shouldn't equal his stats. if you have a QB who has at least one arm there is no reason whatsoever to not throw the ball at least half of the time. to go completely in the opposite direction and shun the pass suggests someone doesn't want to give his team a fighter's chance to win.

2. smashmouth teams run a lot. yes. but they won't run the ball on 3rd and 13. i haven't looked at your logs but that seems to be the theme here. no team, not even a college team, runs all the time. and certainly not on 3rd and very long and especially not when trailing 20 pts in the 4th quarter.

3. a team that is 2-9 is more likely to start to tank than a team that is 9-2. i know that sounds obvious, but the point is when a 2-9 team starts to act questionable on the field, the easy answer (and most of the time the likely answer) is cuz they're tanking. just that simple. now, if that 9-2 teams decides to run it 100% all game, it can be chalked up to a team that has some breathing room trying something different, or maybe trying to get their RB some better stats or whatever. when a 2-9 team does it, knowing full well that such a gameplan is a recipe for disaster and doing it anyway when they should be trying to put their team in the best possible situation to win - well, the claims of tanking will start.

last year i made it fully clear to the league i was hoping for a high pick. and i still only wound up with a #6 overall. the difference was i competed every game and didn't submit any gameplan that was sure to end in a loss. i just didn't go above and beyond what i normally do to try to succeed - make a blockbuster trade (or three) or scour gamelogs of my opponents to discover any trends. in terms of how i ran my team i was very neutral. i knew i didn't have a championship or even playoff caliber team so i didn't gameplan my balls off to become a .500 team. but i still ran the same normal offense and i at least hit "recommend" for my defense gameplan every week. i didn't say "i have no chance of winning so i'm gonna run the ball even though info suggests passing it - even only in strict passing situations - will most likely be successful since this game is acting weird due to the last patch". have you not looked at the QB ratings leaders in our league? everyone except like 5 QBs has a QB rating over 100. it's a silly time to be a QB in the IFL. smashmouth won't get you anywhere.

[DakotaGeorge]

Again your basing your whole theroy that I am tanking the season cause ONE game out of three ive coaches so far I ran a Navy like offense. Correct? If I read the threads around here offense up defense down? No Sorry I am new here dunno if you caught that thread. Also earlier in this thread I believe I announced that I was new to the 2k7 format aswell.


I asked for feedback because I wanted to debate and have my side of the story out there.


If you dont like the way I run my team and if you think I am tanking because of 1 Game ive been the head of this team so far keep it to yourself. Quit running around here getting all huffy over nothing. I am not tanking the season. You have no evidence of the such. You think because I poorly game planned 1 game that I am tanking I think your accusations are unfound and I dont think you should be allowed to sling mud without any evidence of such things.


Who seriously gets this worked up over a game? I have been here for 3 games so far and this guy already has a hardon for me. Never in any other leagues I have been in have I been accused of such things.

[Jave]

Again your basing your whole theroy that I am tanking the season cause ONE game out of three ive coaches so far I ran a Navy like offense. Correct? If I read the threads around here offense up defense down? No Sorry I am new here dunno if you caught that thread. Also earlier in this thread I believe I announced that I was new to the 2k7 format aswell.


I asked for feedback because I wanted to debate and have my side of the story out there.


If you dont like the way I run my team and if you think I am tanking because of 1 Game ive been the head of this team so far keep it to yourself. Quit running around here getting all huffy over nothing. I am not tanking the season. You have no evidence of the such. You think because I poorly game planned 1 game that I am tanking I think your accusations are unfound and I dont think you should be allowed to sling mud without any evidence of such things.


Who seriously gets this worked up over a game? I have been here for 3 games so far and this guy already has a hardon for me. Never in any other leagues I have been in have I been accused of such things.

If it was one game during the beginning of the season it probably would have been glossed over, however in week 11, after 60 minutes of game play, your QB went 2 for 3 for 50 yards, yet you ran 45 times despite being down 28 points. Then this week, week 12, you were down 17-3 yet continued to run the ball, rushing 46 times and ended up losing 27-10 because you gameplanned to run 100% of the time regardless of the score.

It's one thing to be new the 07' version of the game, it's entirely another to claim stupidity about the very basic's of football. Teams do NOT run the ball 50 times a game regardless of the score or the coaches would be fired on the spot. We are not getting worked up about one game or two games, we are simply showing you that while you may have got away with that shit in another league, we will not tolerate that in ours. We do a pretty good job policing ourselves here which is why Suicane doesn't have to institute moronic rules about such things.....because we do not do them.

If you don't want us to "sling mud" then play to win, not for draft picks. Have fun, play by the rules and this is the best MP league you will ever join. A great bunch of owners and most of us are very active, even after 4 years here. Play to cheat, tank games, or ruin your team, we will call you out.