Draft Discussion, Chatter, etc Thread (Files updated thru 7.21)

[tarcone]

Why cant we just give everyone a time slot to pick on for 7 days. Tulsa picks from 1 pm to 1:30 pm sunday thru sunday.
You know when to pick, whgen your pick is coming up. Theere will also be lots of action going on for those that are lurking.
16 hours a day for 7 days.

[dberner30]

you can always select "best WR available" or "best [insert position here] available". i got Chuck Morris doing it that way. for the later rounds, let's be serious - these guys won't be on your team in about 4 years. if you keep seeing these supposed 25 pick runs it's because everyone but you is using the utility like we should. and it's not like the mods are making the pick for you first chance they get. you actually have to be away from the board for a bit for that to happen.

you have to keep a certain brisk pace for the draft. if it doesn't move at a decent pace then it becomes less necessary for people to log in. if the draft moves at a pace of 6 picks per day then obviously there isn't a lot going on and that delays things. at least with the way we do it i know during the draft there'll always be someone online and something to talk about cuz something is always happening.

if you want to take things at the slowest pace possible for every single stage then maybe you should just stick with a solo career. i understand this is a slow paced league but you have to keep people's interest levels up. as it is i can not log in for a couple days at a time and know i haven't missed much. at least during the draft there's some content to read cuz it's an exciting time.

why dont you play in two leagues instead of trying to change the pace of this one...if i wanted to play SP i would...my points are general and you can disconnect them from me...this outcome happens and to others...they are weakness of the utility...if i wanted a best of then why not just load draft preferences and let FOF run it all sim style..answer is thats not how we roll...

you want fast...you cant get fast in the other aspects...you want fast in the draft...at least your consistent.

[tarcone]

Why cant we just give everyone a time slot to pick on for 7 days. Tulsa picks from 1 pm to 1:30 pm sunday thru sunday.
You know when to pick, whgen your pick is coming up. Theere will also be lots of action going on for those that are lurking.
16 hours a day for 7 days.

Better. Each draft slot has an assigned time:

Pick 1 -- 7-7:30
2-- 7:30-8

etc.

This way you always know what time your pick is well in advance. Draft lasts 7 days. There are always picks being made so the chat room crowd is happy.

[Chris Rex]

This is not meant to offend anyone, just expressing an opinion.

I may be in the minority here, but considering that this was the first such draft I've been involved in, I thought it went very smoothly and relatively quick, all things considered. There would be a bunch of picks, a delay now and then, lots of chat room banter and trading, and we finished a day early. For the last two rounds I literally had 29 picks lined up in the draft utility, and it was used as intended. Some people said they logged in and didnt expect their next pick to come up so fast, but why couldn't you have players cued up? Some people had Zero players sitting in their cue most of the time ,which I could not understand. I don't really see the problem... ( Or should that end with '?')

[Hell Atlantic]

it should end with you getting on your knees and tickling my scrotal sac.

[tarcone]

I think this is being misunderstood. Its not the missed picks. Its the general overall pace. We are a slow league. We sim one game a week maybe 2. The concern is that we are rushing through the draft while everything else is at a slow pace.

[Matt]

draft should be as fast as the slowest guy to pick within his window. It's irresponsible to miss picks as a rule more than an exception.

[tarcone]

You guys are arguing apples and oranges. I dont think db is advocating missing picks. He is concerned about the rush we are in to get through the draft. Missed picks is a result of this.

[dberner30]

You guys are arguing apples and oranges. I dont think db is advocating missing picks. He is concerned about the rush we are in to get through the draft. Missed picks is a result of this.

amen....someone gets my point...

im not arguing for missed picks...im saying some of these are symptoms of the overall problem which is speed...(or crack for some of you)...we are slow paced everywhere else...

thanks for summing this up in a simple way...this is the issue.

[JesterBlaze]

Why cant we just give everyone a time slot to pick on for 7 days. Tulsa picks from 1 pm to 1:30 pm sunday thru sunday.
You know when to pick, whgen your pick is coming up. Theere will also be lots of action going on for those that are lurking.
16 hours a day for 7 days.

I fear such a scenerio (as I think someone else stated) might lead to less action.

I'm one of the biggest draft lurkers and without naming names there were some GMs during this draft that after about round 2 I scheduled my breaks around cause the odds were very good (and in the end proved correct) that they'd just use up the time slot on inaction.

It's when I saw the next 6 picks as Newark, Little Rock, Dakota, Tulsa, Montreal, STL, etc... and looked on the forums to see that Matt, Cringer, Argot, Tarcone, CRex and Suicane were logged in that I'd stay to lurk because now there was going to be action.

I don't know that it would reduce action for a fact but I fear it.

[JesterBlaze]

amen....someone gets my point...

im not arguing for missed picks...im saying some of these are symptoms of the overall problem which is speed...(or crack for some of you)...we are slow paced everywhere else...

thanks for summing this up in a simple way...this is the issue.

I get your point perfectly. I'm disagreeing based on many points but one in particular:

The draft is 224 players or so and the utility as far as I know will hold 225 players.

So unless there's an example that starts with "I loaded 225 players in the utility...." then it can't be blamed on the utility or the pace of the draft. All the "reasoning" here is "If a GM fails to take advantage of the utility then the utility or pace of the draft is at fault".

224 players is the extreme and remains fact but to lessen the extremity in reality you don't even need to load more than 40 players in the utility if you check in merely daily. If you have anything less than the number of picks until your pick in the utility and you walk away from the IFL - even before the draft starts - then you are gambling and, as a gambler, should not blame your winnings or losings on the game you're playing.

[dberner30]

so i guess the discussion can be boiled down to this....

1. Some of us like to have the draft at a slower pace like our current offseason and gameday schedule.

2. Some of us like to have the draft at a fast pace unlike the rest of our season.

3. The fast crowd fears making changes to slow the pace will reduce action on the boards etc. and that missed pick guys will cause the draft to functionally grind to a halt.

4. The utility is a wonderful tool to effectuate our draft. The lists are valuable and can range from 10 guys to 224 guys but if you just do 40 at a time your very safe.

5. You should check in daily during the draft.

6. Someone is a frequent slower of the draft (those owners to be named later).

So here are my questions:

1. What is too slow? Is a 7 day draft too slow? Is a 10 day draft too slow?

2. How do we increase predictability with the utility to maximize owner ability to make picks and trade picks?

3. How do we reduce missed picks?

4. If we have specific owners that are regularly a problem then lets name them and talk about it. Lets find out what causes the missed picks.

5. Is the goal to reduce the missed picks or is the goal to get the missed pick owner off the clock and quickly skip him so others can make their picks?

Just some food for thought.

[Hell Atlantic]

the goal is if you insist on making every pick yourself you should be in the forum more often. i don't have that ability to just be here all the time, nor do i want to, so i use my list. at no point did it have more than 6 guys, but that seemed to be enough. i think the draft pace this year was very good, and hope it continues going forward.

[Jave]

so i guess the discussion can be boiled down to this....

1. Some of us like to have the draft at a slower pace like our current offseason and gameday schedule.

2. Some of us like to have the draft at a fast pace unlike the rest of our season.

3. The fast crowd fears making changes to slow the pace will reduce action on the boards etc. and that missed pick guys will cause the draft to functionally grind to a halt.

4. The utility is a wonderful tool to effectuate our draft. The lists are valuable and can range from 10 guys to 224 guys but if you just do 40 at a time your very safe.

5. You should check in daily during the draft.

6. Someone is a frequent slower of the draft (those owners to be named later).

So here are my questions:

1. What is too slow? Is a 7 day draft too slow? Is a 10 day draft too slow?

2. How do we increase predictability with the utility to maximize owner ability to make picks and trade picks?

3. How do we reduce missed picks?

4. If we have specific owners that are regularly a problem then lets name them and talk about it. Lets find out what causes the missed picks.

5. Is the goal to reduce the missed picks or is the goal to get the missed pick owner off the clock and quickly skip him so others can make their picks?

Just some food for thought.

1. Take a vote. How many want to slow the draft down?

2. Speaking only for myself, I just want to get through the draft at a decent pace to get back to the regular season ASAP. It seems to me that the pace of the draft is entirely dependent on US, the owners. It's no mystery that it's the same owners who round after round were no show, no calls.

3. You should check in multiple times a day during the draft.

4. It's not my goal to call anyone out, but there was ONE owner who basically deserted the draft and showed ZERO effort. No lists, did NOT check in and the league waited the max time nearly every single round on his pick. Ragin. What the hell happened dude?
If you have NO intention whatsoever to participate in the draft, then just tell a mod that you are busy and are unable to be there this year. OR, have another owner who you trust to help you make your picks. For instance, if any owner had asked me this year, I would have got their phone number and texted them around the time their pick came up. Or I would have called them.
But to just not tell anyone anything, and still not participate, your basically telling the other owners, screw off. I don't care about the other owners in this league.

I think Dberner that the actual pace of the draft is fine. We did indeed finish early and overall it was fun and ran smooth. I would be all for any changes made in the draft weather or not it was to speed it up, slow it down, or institute scheduled times. My issue is, if the league decides on how the draft is going to run, then pay a-fucking-tention and do what it takes. Every single owner! IF YOU KNOW YOU CANNOT PARTICIPATE, THEN FUCKING TELL SOMEONE!! Is it that hard?

A couple seasons ago I was working 10 hour days, I felt basically my team was set without the draft, and I PM'ed a MOD that I was not going to be able to make picks 4-5-6 and 7, so to just put my team on scout picks. Took me about a minute and a half to write that PM.
This season, I wanted to cruise around with my girlfriend all day but I had my 4th round pick that would come up sometime that day. I was to lazy to make a list, so after being in the chat room and listening to the other owners, I knew Suicane was looking for extra picks. I loaded up his roster, saw a fair trade for the pick and in less then 15 minutes, traded out of the spot for a LT that would still improve my team depth, and jumped in the car and was gone all day. Problem solved.

My point is, it's not that tough and takes very little effort to keep the draft moving. The elapsed time of every pick I made this year was less then 3 minutes because even though I was online I still made lists when I got within 4 picks.

I am fine with slowing the draft down if we institute harsher penalties for owners who go MIA during the draft. No lists, no show, no PM's to MODS is just a slap in the face of every owner in this league.

[Kozure]

I have no problem with slowing the draft down.