Week 12 discussion

[Warhammer]

I think that it's safe to say that gameplanning here is a lot better than a lot of leagues.

Yeah, I'd definitely agree with that.

My one beef with the entire game though is how you absolutely need a stud QB and WR to really make an offense go. I can at least understand the QB, he is needed for the formations and stuff, but there are plenty of good offensive teams in the NFL without a stud WR.

You can make a good defense from some cast offs and a role players with a stud or two, but offensively, you better have a star studded offense if you really want to put up some points.

[sovstar]

I think that it's safe to say that gameplanning here is a lot better than a lot of leagues.

Yeah, I'd definitely agree with that.

My one beef with the entire game though is how you absolutely need a stud QB and WR to really make an offense go. I can at least understand the QB, he is needed for the formations and stuff, but there are plenty of good offensive teams in the NFL without a stud WR.

You can make a good defense from some cast offs and a role players with a stud or two, but offensively, you better have a star studded offense if you really want to put up some points.

I don't buy into needing a stud wideout at all. Did Orlando have one in 2003? Did Madison in 2004? If you have a good line and a good QB, he'll find anyone in the open field.

[sovstar]

I see Keith brought out the "my team sucks" card. Now he's out to prove everyone that doubted him (by this I mean himself) wrong!

[Jave]

I see Keith brought out the "my team sucks" card. Now he's out to prove everyone that doubted him (by this I mean himself) wrong!

Yea, no offense Vito, but no takers here. Trying to convince anyone that the Stallions are anything short of a playoff team is a waste of time. Have you looked at your own sig latley? Try it.

[Warhammer]

I think that it's safe to say that gameplanning here is a lot better than a lot of leagues.

Yeah, I'd definitely agree with that.

My one beef with the entire game though is how you absolutely need a stud QB and WR to really make an offense go. I can at least understand the QB, he is needed for the formations and stuff, but there are plenty of good offensive teams in the NFL without a stud WR.

You can make a good defense from some cast offs and a role players with a stud or two, but offensively, you better have a star studded offense if you really want to put up some points.

I don't buy into needing a stud wideout at all. Did Orlando have one in 2003? Did Madison in 2004? If you have a good line and a good QB, he'll find anyone in the open field.

But in both cases those teams were based on stellar defenses. They didn't have a dominating offense. If you have a defense like they had, all you need is a ball control offense.

Maybe I should rephrase what I said, you need a stud QB, a solid line, and above average receivers to make an offense go. You won't get far passing the ball with a bunch of 45 rated WRs.

[sovstar]

But in both cases those teams were based on stellar defenses. They didn't have a dominating offense. If you have a defense like they had, all you need is a ball control offense.

Maybe I should rephrase what I said, you need a stud QB, a solid line, and above average receivers to make an offense go. You won't get far passing the ball with a bunch of 45 rated WRs.

Portland did fine with McCoy and McCready in 2003, both 35-45-type receivers. McCoy had 840 yards, McCready 968. 10-6 record and AFC West Champs.

[sovstar]

Irby to Jaime was a pretty connection last year if I recall.

[Warhammer]

But in both cases those teams were based on stellar defenses. They didn't have a dominating offense. If you have a defense like they had, all you need is a ball control offense.

Maybe I should rephrase what I said, you need a stud QB, a solid line, and above average receivers to make an offense go. You won't get far passing the ball with a bunch of 45 rated WRs.

Portland did fine with McCoy and McCready in 2003, both 35-45-type receivers. McCoy had 840 yards, McCready 968. 10-6 record and AFC West Champs.

I would argue that at that time, most of the current stud DBs were not fully developed, and many GMs were not at their current skill level. Which would give the advantage to the offensive player.

But then looking at the current YPA leaders Anchorage and Dakota something else seems to be at work. My question is what are they doing that I'm not (which is what I'm really puzzled about.)?

[Argot]

McGwire a 23 rated QB, won three games in a row with WR's McCellion, Camp, and Corso none of whom are rated over 50.

It's all in the game plan, and matching QB strengths to the type of offensive people you have playing.

I hardly call Rocco Hooten a stud QB at less than a 60 rating, but he was the highest rated passer before injury.

Ratings can be...how shall I say it...overrated.

[Suicane]

Gameplanning won me the IFL Bowl. I consider myself a subpar gameplanner with a talented roster, but i'm pretty sure that my best streak of gameplanning came during the playoffs last year. Defensively I was able to dictate what my opponents could and couldn't do. Of course my offensevie gameplanning was not so good, but i did so well on the D side that I was able to pull it out.

[Warhammer]

Gameplanning won me the IFL Bowl. I consider myself a subpar gameplanner with a talented roster, but i'm pretty sure that my best streak of gameplanning came during the playoffs last year. Defensively I was able to dictate what my opponents could and couldn't do. Of course my offensevie gameplanning was not so good, but i did so well on the D side that I was able to pull it out.

This is the camp in which I sit. I can gameplan defense all day long, as evidenced by how my defense plays year in year out. Granted, in the past I had some pretty good talent over there, but even with the drop in talent, we are getting good results.

My problem is offensively. Again, I can game plan a pretty good running offense, but that IS dependent upon the backs and OL. If you are getting a bunch of KRBs, you don't need a stellar back, if you are not getting the KRBs, you need a good back.

My problem on offense is specific to the passing game. There are guys out there that are getting 7.5+ YPA and have a low INT %, how are you achieving this? Is it just from outguessing your opponent on the down and yardage %s, or is it based upon the formations you are using?

For example, Dakota is going downfield, much more than I am, they have gone long 61 times, completed 27 passes for 14.06 YPA. I have gone downfield 36 times and completed 9 passes for 8.33 YPA. Given this rate, you would expect Dakota to catch teams sleeping less often, since they go downfield roughly 5 times per game. Yet, they have much more success even though their passing battery is not substantially better than the Grizzlies, or is it?

So then, what is the secret? Again, I understand how to run a close to the vest offensive game plan. Go with more Pro Formations, use short passing plays, etc. I get that. To be successful downfield, you should run a more wide open formation, say single back or 4 WR, and use deeper patterns. Simple enough, but why are the results not there?

[Suicane]

I'm convinced that Jeff holds the keys. And despite 2 years of flirting I still can't get it out of him. Maybe i should wear more revealing atire.

[Matt]

Typically, all of my MP defenses have been very good. So I think I have that working pretty good. This is why I've been very frustrated with my teams defense this year. I've been able to work with less before and get away with it. Something tells me it has something to do with my DE's. However, I also have major offensive gameplanning issues. I would love to hire an offensive gameplanning consultant. I just think that there's so many things that can/could be done with the guys I have on the offensive side of the ball. Great RB, 3 pretty good WR with big play ability, decent QB, good developing young TE, pretty good FB, and a decent OL(when healthy). What the hell am I doing wrong? I pound the ball because I can. However, it's been shown that I just can't score with the ball control offense. I'd like to incorporate a decent passing game, especially with the weapons I have.

Someon please help me.