Benchmark Stats

[Hell Atlantic]

hey, this might be fun. let's all post what we think are the benchmark, measures of greatness for all the positions. you don't need to have a benchmark for every position, just the ones you frequently refer to when deciding if a guy is worth a certain contract or when comparing players in terms of how great they are.

maybe after this is over we can have a definitive idea as to what the standard is for each position. that way when someone signs a player to an insane contract, we can laugh and say "no way! horrible signing. he's never even had a season that matched the benchmark!"

[Hell Atlantic]

i'll start.

DT:

1. a season of 60 tackles or more

and/or

2. 10 sacks (getting 10 sacks then makes 50 tackles in the season acceptable)


RB:

1. 1500 rushing yards

and/or

2. 10 rushing tds



OT:

1. 3 sacks allowed, or less

and/or

2. 40 Key Run Blocks

[JMO]

i'll start.

DT:

1. a season of 60 tackles or more

and/or

2. 10 sacks (getting 10 sacks then makes 50 tackles in the season acceptable)


RB:

1. 1500 rushing yards

and/or

2. 10 rushing tds



OT:

1. 3 sacks allowed, or less

and/or

2. 40 Key Run Blocks

Shouldn't these depend on how many plays, carries there was..

To me 1500 yds on 400 carries isn't that impressive. Neither is ten tds with an accompanying 2yds a carry average.

[DDT]

WOW! JMO being argumentative in a thread discussing players. Who'd a thunk it?

I like the Almanac > Team Statistics, before I even look at individual stats, as far as determining if a players effective. All things being equal; I'll take a 40 tackle DT on a team that allows below the league avg per rush before a 60 tackle DT on a team allowing 4 ypc every time.

[Hell Atlantic]

All things being equal; I'll take a 40 tackle DT on a team that allows below the league avg per rush before a 60 tackle DT on a team allowing 4 ypc every time.

this is for indivual stats. you don't look at what the player's team did when you look at his stats to determine if that player - as a free agent - is worth x amount of money.

and if a DT got 30 or 40 tackles on a team that allows below the league avg per rush, i'm going to assume that DT didn't play a major role on that. whereas if a DT got 60 tackles and the defense allowed 4ypc i'm going to assume that the DT did all he could and the weak link in the chain was someone else.

[JesterBlaze]

I don't believe in individual statistical benchmarks as extreme individual stats conflict with victories more than coincide with them IMO.

I set out to win 12 games each season. If I do that then all my players are successful.

[Hell Atlantic]

Shouldn't these depend on how many plays, carries there was..

To me 1500 yds on 400 carries isn't that impressive. Neither is ten tds with an accompanying 2yds a carry average.

Jerome Bettis never got a sexy ypc, but he cashed in when it mattered most. one of the best goal-line backs of his generation, and certainly of all time. you're not gonna ask a Jerome Bettis to get you 5 ypc. you're gonna ask him to get you 2 yards when your offense is on the 2 yard line.

and he's gonna get you those 2 yards.

[Hell Atlantic]

I don't believe in individual statistical benchmarks as extreme individual stats conflict with victories more than coincide with them IMO.

I set out to win 12 games each season. If I do that then all my players are successful.

you don't get those 12 wins without your players being successful. the individual success leads to 12 wins, not the other way around. you won't ever hear "the Giants got 12 wins, which contributed to the success of Eli Manning and their front 4 D-linemen." you'll hear "the Giants won the Super Bowl because Eli Manning finally came of age and took his game to the next level, and the front 4 wreckod havoc on opposing offenses".

and this isn't official or anything, just looking to see what standards people hold certain positions to. not everything has to be a debate around here.

[JesterBlaze]

and this isn't official or anything, just looking to see what standards people hold certain positions to. not everything has to be a debate around here.

Debating wasnt' my first choice. I thought hard about some type of benchmark to contribute and I kept thinking of all the ways to win a game and how each one can look not great on any certain position's stats so I couldn't come up with anything.

After more thought I offer this: QBs - single digit INTs for a full season.

[Kozure]

I don't believe in individual statistical benchmarks as extreme individual stats conflict with victories more than coincide with them IMO.

I set out to win 12 games each season. If I do that then all my players are successful.

you're right. You can't go by a single benchmark for a player. A great MLB on a bad defense will have more tackles than the same MLB on a great defense. If there are no one of talent around that MLB to help him, his stats will be inflated. I think simply looking at rating/stats is the way to go. This doesn't work for all position, but it makes benchmarking a little difficult, but not completely useless.