Week 9 Discussion

[SteveBsFan]

Awesome bye week for me. I love watching StL lose. It's so fun, it tickles my taint

[Matt]

quirky fact.

Newark has outgained every opponent since losing to Lawrence in week #1.

However, Newark has only outscored 1 of them.

[Matt]

GG Jester. I thought I might be able to beat you guys this week. We were 1 KO return for a TD away. We did have enough time at the end to make something happen, but to no avail.

we will return next year.

[Warhammer]

I guess you lose to good and bad teams now.

Yeah, not a pretty game for us. Our big problem is our passing defense and I truthfully do not know how to fix it. Plus, it seems like everytime I touch my defensive game plan, the team just implodes.

Still, I've said it before, you guys have some scary good young talent on that team. Once you start putting it together you guys are going to be tough to stop.

Meanwhile, I think we're blowing things up next year.

[Warhammer]

Warhammer ... ... Possibly on the way to the worst Grizzly season?

Quite honestly I squeezed much of what I could of from this team by gameplanning in FOF2k4. The team was designed for it, and it showed. This year, no matter what I do, the defense sucks, and I can't figure out what to do to fix it. Offensively, we were really hurt by losing our entire left side of the offensive line. That is killing our running game which we always used to eat up clock. We also forced teams to respect the run to open up the pass, and we can't do that now. We'll be lucky to get to 5 wins.

But, I expect to really start experimenting with things defensively now, since there is pretty much no way we are going to get to the playoffs, there are just too many teams we need to pass to get there.

[roadrash]

nice to see the pig farmer is all quiet....you suck...my gameplan was about 75% executed which was frustrating but hey it was enough to get the job done...

You still suck. . not one offensive TD in 36 minutes of ToP? That's pretty shitty. Your kicker should be your MVP.

You can't beat me at my house, and I can't beat you at yours. . . I can live with that, I hate going to Kansas. . .

[JesterBlaze]

GG Jester. I thought I might be able to beat you guys this week. We were 1 KO return for a TD away. We did have enough time at the end to make something happen, but to no avail.

we will return next year.

You definitely had a shot.

Clean slate starting next season! (well, clean-ish at 8-8 for the series) Good luck in the off-season. Hopefully you can pick up some key pieces!

[Cringer]

Warhammer, you keep saying how your team was built for 2004, and clearly doesn't work for 2007. I am interested in what ways you feel this.

Everyones team was built for 2004, and we are all playing 2007 now. I feel 2007 simply allows me to be more exact with what I wanted to do before in 2004, not forced me to completely change it or make players ineffective.

[dberner30]

You still suck. . not one offensive TD in 36 minutes of ToP? That's pretty shitty. Your kicker should be your MVP.

You can't beat me at my house, and I can't beat you at yours. . . I can live with that, I hate going to Kansas. . .

lol...say what you want but you were soundly beaten...

[Warhammer]

Warhammer, you keep saying how your team was built for 2004, and clearly doesn't work for 2007. I am interested in what ways you feel this.

Everyones team was built for 2004, and we are all playing 2007 now. I feel 2007 simply allows me to be more exact with what I wanted to do before in 2004, not forced me to completely change it or make players ineffective.

No, it completely torqued the coverage schemes for the secondary. My coverages were based upon the FOF2k4 system where you could just sit in one coverage scheme the entire game. All it looked at was that one coverage skill in determining how effective your pass defense was.

In FOF2k7, it looks at not only the primary defense, but part of the other skills as well. So to calculate your defense in say 3-Deep, it might be 80% of your zone defense and 20% of your man-to-man defense, etc. If you look at my top secondary players, they all in the top 10 in the league in terms of zone defense. They might not have any other coverage skill, but they were very good at zone. The result is we've been burned big time.

That is the biggest factor for my team. Yes, our OL desertions hurt us, but if we could keep teams from scoring, that wouldn't be that big of a deal. Compare this defense to the other defenses we've had in Hartford and this one sucks hind tit.

The other issue that I have, is that you have to be very careful in how much time you spend in aggressive defenses. In FOF2k4, I would chart opposing offensive tendencies. I would then go with a highly aggressive run defense and a more passive pass defense. The idea was to get the offense in a passing situation and then sit back and blitz the hell out of them. It was largely effective.

Under FOF2k7, there is some sort of range where you can be aggressive to a point, but if you cross that line, you get burned constantly. Also, no one that I know of is completely comfortable with defensive play calling under 2k7. Now, many people were put off by 2k4 defensive play calling, but even the guys who had it down there are stumped now. Heck, check your results by having Coach Rex do the game plan and doing it yourself. Why does he always have pass agg. in third and long turned way down? Yet, try and turn it up in third and long situations and you get your ass eaten up.

I took essentially the same defensive gameplan from 2k4 to 2k7 in this league and the results are completely different. If I let Coach Rex handle things, I do ok, if I touch it, and set it comparably, it breaks.

The sad thing is, is that it has really soured me on the FOF franchise. Yes, 2k7 has some great features, but I feel I have substantially less control over things than I did before. Sure, I can change more things, but I am absolutely screwed if I go outside of X range. I don't have the time, nor the inclination, to test for X range to optimize my game plan.

[roadrash]

lol...say what you want but you were soundly beaten...

Soundly? I guess when you only average a couple wins a year, and win is a "sound" win. . .

[r00k]

and those annoying noises still seem to be coming from that Kansas-Iowa area.

Anybody else here them? Great rivalries never die.

[kingfc22]

This game is a fucking joke.

[kingfc22]

ANother tough loss for Boston I see. Holds Cleveland to a FG until 5 minutes left in the game, then the Clawz get 2 TDs for the win. Boston doesn't help themselves by a late INT that led to one of those TDs for Cleveland, and misses a FG to win it.

That INT was after Cleveland scored 2 TD's gaining 123 yds out of nowhere. I should just quit because anytime we have a lead in the 4th quarter I know for a FACT that we will get fucked over in the end.

[Cringer]

That INT was after Cleveland scored 2 TD's gaining 123 yds out of nowhere. I should just quit because anytime we have a lead in the 4th quarter I know for a FACT that we will get fucked over in the end.

my bad, then that sucks even more for you.