FA Over Cap Bug.

[Cringer]

Ok, has anyone had the problem with this yet?

I have not even played Solo Player since I updated on Sunday, so obviouslyI have not. But the discussion over at FOFC right now about it tells me that this thing is not exactly happening all the time. Only once in a while. I will take a guess and say that this is probably why we have not seen a patch yet, because maybe Jim had/is having a hard time finding what is causing the bug.

Now, I am wondering if it is something that shows up right after a stage is run and is obvious that it has happened? If so then maybe we could still go ahead with Day 1 on Saturday even if there is not a patch by then (I hope that is not the case). After all, if the bug pops up, then I just go back to the files we all have right now, and sit and wait for a patch then. If it turns out ok, then we could go on to day two.

Thoughts? Information on the bug?

[Suicane]

I havnt played solo since I joined this league. :lol: so i couldnt tell ya.
I say if its alot of trouble to roll back in case of a problem that we march ahead, if its fucked up we roll back and wait. If it cant hurt to try then lets try.

[Warhammer]

Actually, come to think of it, I have played and got to the first draft with no problems.

As long as we have a backup of the previous round, I think we should move on. Also, I think that it only happens when someone goes over the cap somehow. So I think we will be safe, provided people are careful with their exports.

[Cringer]

From FOFC

Based on what I've read it sounds like how many offers you make doesn't matter. It sounds like if the total amount of your offers (for contract year 1) is more than you have available in cap room, you hit the bug.

Example A:

$10 million in cap room. Make 1 offer to a FA where the total $'s in year one is $8 million. No problem, bug not hit.

$10 million in cap room. Make 1 offer to a FA where the total $'s in year one is $8 million. Make another offer to a FA where the total $'s in year one is $6 million. Problem. Bug hit. Game sees total 1st year offers of $14 million, but only $10 million available and withdraws all offer

and

Dola - I'm also guessing that "available" is taking into account existing salaries as well as $'s set aside for draftees. Your "cap room" isn't just your cap minus your salaries, but your cap minus existing salaries minus what the game expects you to spend on signing draftees.

Therefore having a high 1st round pick could affect your ability to sign FA's because the game is "holding back" money to sign the draftees.

[sovstar]

I would put money (and lots and lots of it) down that someone will go over the cap right off the bat.

[Cringer]

I would put money (and lots and lots of it) down that someone will go over the cap right off the bat.

I agree, but figured it would be worth a shot anyways if there is no patch by then.

[Cringer]

Bad sign, this is from Jim (Solecismic) over at FOFC...

This theory doesn't make sense given how the game looks at the salary cap situation. There's no search of offers, just an assessment of the current offer w.r.t. players already under contract.

I'm looking into this. Still not 100% sure about the bug description, or even if there is one (not that this constitutes a denial, I'm still planning on a more thorough analysis) . Does saving and reloading make a difference at that exact time you run into this?

and some guys response...

Yes. One of my saves was right after I made all my FA offers. I just replayed the 20 step process about a dozen times. Sometimes I got over caps errors on week 1, sometimes not till week 3, and this last time not at all. Also, the AI got a massive amount of overcap errors in one of the runs (10+ per day for 3 days in a row). I'll upload this file.

[Cringer]

BTW, the things said in that last post, were just posted over at FOFC within the last 30 minutes....I would say no patch is coming real soon.... :angry:

[sovstar]

At least we know that he's aware of our league's current situation now. Maybe that will give him extra incentive to fix this promptly.

[Cringer]

Great news here, although not positive we will have the patch by Saturday. Hope so though. This was posted by Jim (Solecismic) over at FOFC an hour ago.

Okay. Probably tomorrow, then. It's done, but I have to wait for ViaTech to update the executable. Edit. I don't know their vacation schedule. Might have to wait a few days, might not.

Here's the list:

1) Refix the attendance fix.
2) Add formation data to expanded game logs.
3) Fix coach of the year selection in MP. Now it goes to Ann Arbor every year.
4) Less going for 2pc before end-game.
5) Lower the injury penalty for prone players.
6) Fix improper over-cap signal when real cause for rejection was finicky player, who, for the reason of careless programming, then decided every offer sucked. And I had streamlined hundreds of lines of code with that one, too. I'm amazed it wasn't crashing all over the place, which I would have caught before release.
7) Add one to secondary positions of rookies higher than MLB in base player file (this will get Deangelo Hall and his friends into the right places, though my guess is that your list isn't quite the same due to some minor real-life changes for long-time veterans).
8) Change penalty for being over the cap to a loss of a first-round pick and spotting the opposing team a field goal at the beginning of each game.

Just kidding about 8.

[sovstar]

kickass

[Cringer]

Lets hope this is able to get out by Saturday, or we will delay it on recomendation from Jim to MP leagues..

I was thinking I'd try and squeeze a 3D match engine in there while I'm at it. Should only take a few minutes to code up.

For MP leagues waiting for this patch. There is no reason not to go ahead with any stage other than a free agency stage. While the FA bug doesn't do anything terminal to the data file, it simply does not interpret FA offers fairly, and I'm not confident players will go to the correct teams from competitive bidding. I did so much work in this area, there were bound to be problems. Hopefully this does it until whenever I'm back in the code by design. I'd like to take some time off now.

Meanwhile, I hope people like what I've done with the receiver targets page (www.solecismic.com/targetdata.php). I spent most of the weekend rewriting that. It's now a pretty significant script.