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  • #1

    NC Playoffs

    Some observations on the NC Playoff picture:

    SLC is out if they lose, Vancouver would have the division edge over SLC and would get any possible spot ahead of SLC.

    Newark holds the tie-breaker over Lawrence in division. Lawrence can only get in if Newark loses.

    Assuming we have the worst case tiebreak scenario, 6 teams at 8-8, the four teams eligible for the playoff spot are:

    Pittsburgh - the only 8-8 team out of the North.

    Little Rock - owns the tiebreaker over Tulsa.

    Newark - owns the best division record tiebreaker over Lawrence.

    Vancouver - own the head to head tiebreaker over SLC.

    In this scenario, we have to go to strength of victory, and it appears Newark would win on that tiebreaker. NOTE: Reno is not included in the clusterfuck scenario because they would beat Vancouver for the divisional crown based upon a better record against common opponents.

    The easiest team to figure out is SLC...

    SLC must win and hope for a Little Rock loss, if this happens, they are in.

    Little Rock must win to clinch a birth.

    Pittsburgh must win, and hope for a Little Rock, Newark, and SLC loss.

    Vancouver must win, and hope for a Little Rock, Newark, and Pittsburgh loss. They win a three way with Little Rock and Lawrence due to the head to head sweep.

    Lawrence cannot get into the playoffs. They will lose on the conference W-L tiebreaker.

    If Newark wins and Little Rock and SLC both lose, Newark clinches the play off spot (strength of victory tiebreaker).

    I am not going into the two way tiebreakers simply because it would be too complicated, and I do not see a LIKELY scenario in which we have a two team tiebreaker in which Little Rock and SLC both lose.

    The strength of victory tiebreaker appears to go in this order: Newark, Pittsburgh, Vancouver, and Little Rock. Pittsburgh currently has the highest total strength of victory, but Newark is playing a stronger team this week. This could also changed based upon who wins and loses in other games, but I am assuming this will be a wash for all teams...

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  • #2
    Dammit! Couldn't you at least say something along the lines of, "Columbia has clinched the #1 seed in the NFC and will be able to take Week 17 off after playing 16 weeks of epic football?"
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    • #3
      Re: NC Playoffs

      Originally posted by Warhammer
      [Vancouver] win[s] a three way with Little Rock and Lawrence due to the head to head sweep.
      :shock:
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      • #4
        Re: NC Playoffs

        Originally posted by sovstar
        Originally posted by Warhammer
        [Vancouver] win[s] a three way with Little Rock and Lawrence due to the head to head sweep.
        :shock:
        Very disturbing!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by sovstar
          Dammit! Couldn't you at least say something along the lines of, "Columbia has clinched the #1 seed in the NFC and will be able to take Week 17 off after playing 16 weeks of epic football?"
          What you'd better do is hope Little Rock wins their game and I lay down at home against Vancouver---in all that epic football you played we were the team that OWNED your ass and it was NOT a fluke
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          • #6
            Your right. I don't really want to face SLC in the playoffs. Of course, last year...
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            • #7
              Looks pretty scary. I had count my team out. I should've listend to Double J Justin Jones!

              Good work Warhammer!
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              • #8
                Warhammer, did you go through the 'common games' tiebreaker? (Is that even used in FOF?)
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                • #9
                  What if Reno and SLC both lose, who wins the division? I don't have the game in front of me, does Vancouver have a chance at winning the division?
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by MrBigglesworth
                    What if Reno and SLC both lose, who wins the division? I don't have the game in front of me, does Vancouver have a chance at winning the division?
                    Vancouver would win the division via a 3-1 head-to-head record against Reno and SLC if that happened.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by sovstar
                      Vancouver would win the division via a 3-1 head-to-head record against Reno and SLC if that happened.
                      Wonder where Reno ranks in SofV?
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by MrBigglesworth
                        What if Reno and SLC both lose, who wins the division? I don't have the game in front of me, does Vancouver have a chance at winning the division?
                        Reno wins the three way there.

                        Regarding the common games, when you have 3 or 4 teams from different divisions, it is very difficult to have the common game tiebreaker work, teams within a division use the divisional tiebreaker before the WC tiebreakers. There are 10 games that are set in stone, and then the remaining 6 are based on records from the previous year. What this means is that from basically 6 games, you have to find teams that played 4 of the same opponents in 6 games, in a two way tiebreaker it usually works, with 3 teams it is rarely used, with 4 it is virtually impossible to use.

                        BUT, to answer your question, I did check it with a few teams, and none of the 3 ways I tried were able to use it. The two way scenarios would use it, but when I realized it was impossible to have a 2 way, if LR lost and SLC won, SLC would get the nod, if LR and SLC lost, then the tiebreaker would not be used, and if anyone else won (in addition to LR and SLC losing), then the 3 way tiebreaker would be used.

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                        • #13
                          Oh yeah, just wanted to add that the strength of victories could change quite a bit depending on who won this week, but Newark and Pitt had a pretty comfortable lead over everyone else, so if it comes to it, one of them will probably get it.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Warhammer
                            Originally posted by MrBigglesworth
                            What if Reno and SLC both lose, who wins the division? I don't have the game in front of me, does Vancouver have a chance at winning the division?
                            Reno wins the three way there.
                            Uh.. how do you figure?
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                            • #15
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                              TO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION
If, at the end of the regular season, two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined.

Two Clubs
1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in common games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.

Three or More Clubs
(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated during any step, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of the two-club format).
[b]1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games among the clubs).[b]
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in common games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
                              Reno 17, SLC 31
                              Reno 31, SLC 24
                              Reno 14, Vanouver 17
                              Reno 24, Vancouver 0
                              SLC 27, Vancouver 34
                              We're assuming Vancouver wins their next meeting

                              Reno: 2-2
                              SLC: 1-3
                              Vancouver 3-1
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